Hi Mais oui! I noticed the change of title you recently gave to "National Portrait Gallery (United Kingdom)" to reflect the fact that it's specifically in England, and that there's a Scottish National Portrait Gallery as well. There's a slight problem with that, because the Gallery's perspective is pan-British (and beyond that, extends to people like Wallis Simpson who have strong ties with British history in some way). One of its founders was the very Scottish Thomas Carlyle. So I think the "England" in parentheses is misleading, although I can see why you might think that "United Kingdom" is contentious. May I suggest either National Portrait Gallery (London) or National Portrait Gallery, London as an alternative?

The option with a comma follows the example of National Gallery, London, but that's because it's the way the National Gallery styles itself on its website to distinguish it from all the other National Galleries. I'm not clear on whether it's correct to use a comma when disambiguating an article title, as with e.g. Strand, London, or the more usual parentheses. Any thoughts? [talk to the] HAM 21:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Either "National Portrait Gallery, London" (not in parentheses, which would to my reading misleadingly suggest that the remit of the collection only extended as far as the boundaries of London, although I don't know what the MoS stance is on this) or, even better, "National Portrait Gallery (United Kingdom)" which is the most accurate title and, as always, should not have been changed without prior consultation on this page. Badgerpatrol 21:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just added a postscript to Mais oui's talk page, which just happens to agree with Badgerpatrol, although I didn't know of his post... ([talk to the] HAM 21:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC))[reply]

PS: A third option would be to revert to National Portrait Gallery (United Kingdom) to reflect its scope, while making clear in a disambig notice that it's not the only NPG in Britain. Something like:

This article is about the National Portrait Gallery based in London. Also in the United Kingdom, but unconnected to this institution, is the Scottish National Portrait Gallery in Edinburgh

After looking at the disambig page for National Portrait Gallery, I think that it makes more sense to have the name of the country in the article – in which case it would have to be United Kingdom, not England. Regards, [talk to the] HAM 21:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved it back to the original, for now. I note that the outfit next door is National Gallery, London and so there may be a case for a rename of one or the other. However, since the move was carried out without any consultation whatsoever (let alone consensus) it seems appropriate to return to the status quo. If Mais Oui! ever responds (and since he sometimes makes dozens of similiar POV-pushing edits in a single day, it wouldn't surprise me if he is not even watching this page) then we can discuss it reasonably. Badgerpatrol 23:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]