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:::: Or she was married & raised a family. Or a family member contracted an illness & needed a care giver. Things like this derail a woman's career to a greater degree than a man's. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 20:03, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:::: Or she was married & raised a family. Or a family member contracted an illness & needed a care giver. Things like this derail a woman's career to a greater degree than a man's. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 20:03, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
::::: Fair point, {{u|Llywrch}}; the salient point is that after 1955 or so she started doing something else. I've looked for marriage records to no avail, and the fact that her sister's 1993 obituary only mentions cousins among survivors Brady didn't have children. --[[User:Usernameunique|Usernameunique]] ([[User talk:Usernameunique|talk]]) 20:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
::::: Fair point, {{u|Llywrch}}; the salient point is that after 1955 or so she started doing something else. I've looked for marriage records to no avail, and the fact that her sister's 1993 obituary only mentions cousins among survivors Brady didn't have children. --[[User:Usernameunique|Usernameunique]] ([[User talk:Usernameunique|talk]]) 20:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::: "The salient point is that after 1955 or so she started doing something else." -- also a fair point. IMHO, this is something that should be mentioned in the article -- that she appears to have left academia for some reason. (I can think of several: sexism, burnout, unpleasantness in her personal life, etc.) Exactly what was the reason... well, I think we can agree this might not be revealed soon. Although it definitely makes her more intriguing. (BTW, I thought of another possible angle to pursue: would the alumni organization at UCLA/UC Berkeley have any info about her?) It's beginning to look as if there is a story here that could be sold for publication. If you're interested in writing for pay, that is. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 20:32, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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Personal life section

Largely removed from article due to concerns over use of primary sources:

1920 Black and White photograph of the Bessie Dollar at dock in Valcouver
S.S. Bessie Dollar at dock in Vancouver in 1920

Caroline Agnes Brady was born in October 1905 in China.[1][2][3] Her father was Col. David John Brady, an engineer, and her mother Annie Lucy Maude Brady (née Short).[4][5][6][7][8] The two were married on 10 May 1904 in Shanghai.[7][8] On 16 May 1910 the three arrived in San Pedro, California on the steamer[9] Bessie Dollar,[10] and by 1911 they were living in Cranbrook, British Columbia.[1] A sister, Frances Barbara Brady (or Frances Maud Brady[11]), was born on 10 April 1915.[6][12][13] In 1917 the family returned to the United States, settling in Los Angeles.[12]

David Brady died in late January, 1953,[5] and his wife, now going as Maud Short Brady, on 23 November 1959.[14][15] Caroline Brady was referred to as "the late Caroline Brady" in 1983.[16][17] Frances Brady, by then Frances Brady Ackley, died on 14 December 1993; her obituary mentioned only cousins among her survivors.[18]

References

  1. ^ a b Canada Census 1911.
  2. ^ United States Census 1930b.
  3. ^ United States Census 1940.
  4. ^ Los Angeles Times 1938.
  5. ^ a b Los Angeles Times 1953.
  6. ^ a b California Death Index 1993.
  7. ^ a b UK Overseas Registers 1904a.
  8. ^ a b UK Overseas Registers 1904b.
  9. ^ Los Angeles Herald 1906.
  10. ^ California Passenger Lists 1910.
  11. ^ Social Security Claims.
  12. ^ a b United States Census 1920.
  13. ^ United States Census 1930a.
  14. ^ Los Angeles Times 1959.
  15. ^ California Death Index 1959.
  16. ^ Anglo-Saxon England Contents 1983.
  17. ^ O'Donoghue 1986, p. 238.
  18. ^ Los Angeles Times 1993.

Sources

Question

Usernameunique, where is your reference in the article for the statement that "Brady began work at Harvard around 1952"? Gatoclass (talk) 18:42, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good point Gatoclass, I've changed it to "around 1953". In September 1953 she is listed at "19 Garden St., Apt. 38, Cambridge 38, Mass." in the PMLA members list, and a 1955 review of one of her works stated that "Miss Brady has now been working for some time at Harvard". The 1952–53 Talbot fellowship, which followed an apparent gap in teaching positions (assuming she didn't do anything after leaving the Oregon community college in 1949) may imply that she took up her Harvard position in 1952, but there's nothing that definitively says so. --Usernameunique (talk) 19:00, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I asked Usernameunique is because reference 41 states that she was working at the University of California, but I just noticed that this source is from the 1930s yet is being used to support the statement that she was living in California in the 1950s, so this looks like an erroneous cite to me. Gatoclass (talk) 19:15, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Gatoclass, references 40 and 41 work together to support the statement that "in 1952 [Brady] was also listed as living at her parents' California address." 40, from 1952, lists Brady as living at "132 S. Laurel Ave., Los Angeles 48, California". 41, from 1935, is used to show that this address was her parents address ("Miss Brady was accompanied by her sister, Miss Frances M. Brady. They are the daughters of Col. and Mrs. D. J. Brady, of 132 South Laurel avenue, Los Angeles."). --Usernameunique (talk) 19:20, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks for the clarification. I am going to have to continue revamping this article tomorrow, as converting the references has turned out to be a more difficult job than I anticipated. Gatoclass (talk) 19:34, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your work, Gatoclass. I think I've finished formatting the references to the extent practical. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:05, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Date of death

That this article asserts she died "before 1984" is surprising. One would expect anyone who died in the early 1980s to have at least the year, if not the day, recorded of her death; doctors are usually in attendance to provide a time & cause of death. Is there a reason this article states that, such as she was discovered dead weeks, if not months, afterwards? Or is this just an interim workaround until the date of her death can be found? -- llywrch (talk) 04:17, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Llywrch, an obituary would clear up many of the uncertainties in this article, but so far I haven't been able to find one—what she did after 1955 is also missing. As far as her year of death goes, it's probably 1980. The journal issue in which her 1983 article was published terms her "the late Caroline Brady", while a signed offprint of her 1979 article (offprint may have been issued in 1980) indicates that she was alive in 1979 and maybe 1980. Ancestry.com lists a "Caroline Brady" (3 Oct 1905 – November 1980) in the Social Security Death Index, and a "Caroline A Brady" (abt 1905 – 5 November 1980) in the Washington State Death Index; that's probably her. --Usernameunique (talk) 12:46, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So it's an interim workaround. I understand. But I am a little surprised her death information isn't easily found. I have seen a number of one-page death notices for academics published in periodicals they were frequently published in, so maybe one she published in contains one. (BTW, I did a quick search thru JSTOR between 1979-1983 & found nothing.) Maybe AAUW has the info; I'd cite their database as a source before Ancestry.com, & I remember a dispute some time back about using SS records as a source. (Sigh.) Hope my hints help in finding this bit of info. Good luck. -- llywrch (talk) 17:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
AAUW is a good thought, Llywrch, just sent them an email. Washington papers seems to be severely underrepresented on newspapers.com and newspaperarchive.com (don't see anything on ProQuest either), so an obituary may be somewhere that I just haven't found. I think what hinders this is that she seems to have dropped of the face of the academic earth for a good quarter-century, before two articles at the end of her life. It's quite possible she changed careers, and in doing so lost touch with the contacts and organizations that would have noted her death (e.g., her membership in the Modern Language Association of America lapsed in the 1950s). Primary sources were certainly controversial during the DYK nomination, and a published source would be ideal. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:00, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Or she was married & raised a family. Or a family member contracted an illness & needed a care giver. Things like this derail a woman's career to a greater degree than a man's. -- llywrch (talk) 20:03, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point, Llywrch; the salient point is that after 1955 or so she started doing something else. I've looked for marriage records to no avail, and the fact that her sister's 1993 obituary only mentions cousins among survivors Brady didn't have children. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"The salient point is that after 1955 or so she started doing something else." -- also a fair point. IMHO, this is something that should be mentioned in the article -- that she appears to have left academia for some reason. (I can think of several: sexism, burnout, unpleasantness in her personal life, etc.) Exactly what was the reason... well, I think we can agree this might not be revealed soon. Although it definitely makes her more intriguing. (BTW, I thought of another possible angle to pursue: would the alumni organization at UCLA/UC Berkeley have any info about her?) It's beginning to look as if there is a story here that could be sold for publication. If you're interested in writing for pay, that is. -- llywrch (talk) 20:32, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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