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::::Apparently so, since you are so determined to remove reliably sourced content - truth - for no clear reason. [[User:Bobrayner|bobrayner]] ([[User talk:Bobrayner|talk]]) 10:51, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
::::Apparently so, since you are so determined to remove reliably sourced content - truth - for no clear reason. [[User:Bobrayner|bobrayner]] ([[User talk:Bobrayner|talk]]) 10:51, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::No, it's not reliable as it was determined before here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kosovo_War/Archive_6#Morale_Section_Should_be_Eliminated You bailed out on the discussion and suddenly, 7 months later, you revert very controversial part of the article (one upon 3 editors agreed it was wrong). Oh and just because I am not registered you call me sock and such. That is discrimination and you should be ashamed of yourself. [[Special:Contributions/212.178.243.185|212.178.243.185]] ([[User talk:212.178.243.185|talk]]) 10:56, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::No, it's not reliable as it was determined before here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kosovo_War/Archive_6#Morale_Section_Should_be_Eliminated You bailed out on the discussion and suddenly, 7 months later, you revert very controversial part of the article (one upon 3 editors agreed it was wrong). Oh and just because I am not registered you call me sock and such. That is discrimination and you should be ashamed of yourself. [[Special:Contributions/212.178.243.185|212.178.243.185]] ([[User talk:212.178.243.185|talk]]) 10:56, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Why don't you try to prove, with reliable sources, that moral among Serb soldiers in Kosovo were high all the time? After all, you are the one who has to prove that the section is incorrect. But for now it is a properly sourced section that should be present in the article. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 11:06, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

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russian intervention

i wrote up a section on the pristina airport incident, i used a BBC article to source the data

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/671495.stm

but didn't include it in the references as i'm a lousy editor, feel free to include that

gosh i'm not trying to start a fight here, i just thought i should add that part.

Kosovo and the rise of Slobodan Milošević (1986–1990)

I have just made a number of changes to the "Kosovo and the rise of Slobodan Milošević (1986–1990)" section. Changes are: Firstly the Binder article is mainly about the growth of ethnic tensions, of which the growth of KosAlb Nationalism is only part of the story. Secondly, the "Paraćin massacre" incident is only written about 'in passing', as part of the background to tension, so I altered to 'referred to' Thirdly, Binder writes fairly explicitly about the rise of Milošević (and his commitment to 'getting tough' in Kosovo), of which I have tried to select the clearest quotes. I did this for two reasons, firstly because it is a significant part of Binder's article, but secondly because this section is titled 'Kosovo and the rise of … …'.

I wonder whether the 'Paraćin massacre' reference adds anything and also wonder whether the 'Branko Mamula' quotes that follow add very much, but both are 'background', so I only tidied slightly.Pincrete (talk) 16:12, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

EU support

In the Support for the war section, there is a quote by David Clark saying, amongst other things, that all EU countries supported the war. This paper says that of the EU neutrals, only Ireland supported NATO, Sweden and Finland did not say whether they suppoted the NATO or not, and Austria condemned the bombings, and denied NATO aircaft access to its airspace. Which source is correct? Can anyone find another source to support either position? 109.78.239.190 (talk) 10:31, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It was me that recently attributed the claim to Clark (it was previously in 'our voice', ie as a fact). Apart from the neutral countries you mention, it was widely reported at the time that some NATO members were 'less than keen', notably Greece, which (I believe), allowed flyover but refused any more active role (I don't have a source for that beyond memory of BBC news of the time). Clark is guilty of simplification on this point, (had he written 'almost all', there would be no issue), however the 'NATO/EU support' is not the main point of HIS article, and the point of this section of OUR article is to present the 'case for war'. I'm not sure what the appropriate remedy is here, nor if anything needs to be done.Pincrete (talk) 12:13, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A biased article

This is one of the most biased and partial articles I have ever read.It seems to me that the editor is a strong supporter of the serbs.In the background there is not a single word of the poisons of students in Kosovo.Not a single word of peaceful protests violently suppressed by Yugoslav police.I think there should be a clean-up to the article and write about the aggression as well.Also I have saw many reports(news,documentaries and books and also talked to KLA veterans)that there have been APC's destroyed by the KLA,I cannot say a certain number but the editor should get more references than american sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nixious6 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the image at the top of page is entirely of the NATO air campaign and not the genocidal ethnic cleansing campaign that precipitated it.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 21:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Missing section?

For the duration of the NATO bombing campaign, all we have is information on the NATO side of the campaign. Where is the information on Yugoslav Army actions (elsewhere in Wikipedia we have Operation Horseshoe for instance) or KLA actions? I'm sure they didn't stop fighting the moment the bombs started falling (didn't the war intensify at this point?). Before NATO intervention there is plenty of information on the military operations of both sides, and then after the campaign ended there is a section on the Serb withdrawal. Did something get deleted at some point? 14.139.236.148 (talk) 07:33, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There were parts that described Yugoslav tactics, but those parts were deleted by some users because there were no sources. Or they did not bother to find any. I agree - we should add those. We just need sources to back them up. I believe it won't be hard to find them. If you or anyone else is willing to contribute I will also help in any way I can, but I am not an experienced editor, far from it. 62.193.159.186 (talk) 12:54, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Morale story - again

I would like to point out that bobraynr has again returned the disputed section of this article.

This issue has already been discussed (and closed) before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kosovo_War/Archive_6#Morale_Section_Should_be_Eliminated — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.178.243.185 (talk) 09:18, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So, was the moral high and Serbs were slaughtering and raping or was it low? Cant the anti-Serbian guys make up their mind, or everything goes? This edit is a good edit for propaganda manipulation article. FkpCascais (talk) 13:26, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I see FkpCascais and Vanjagenije were canvassed by a banned editor, and happily coöperated. Just another day in the Balkans... bobrayner (talk) 20:44, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Truth hurts? 212.178.243.185 (talk) 22:35, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently so, since you are so determined to remove reliably sourced content - truth - for no clear reason. bobrayner (talk) 10:51, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not reliable as it was determined before here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kosovo_War/Archive_6#Morale_Section_Should_be_Eliminated You bailed out on the discussion and suddenly, 7 months later, you revert very controversial part of the article (one upon 3 editors agreed it was wrong). Oh and just because I am not registered you call me sock and such. That is discrimination and you should be ashamed of yourself. 212.178.243.185 (talk) 10:56, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't you try to prove, with reliable sources, that moral among Serb soldiers in Kosovo were high all the time? After all, you are the one who has to prove that the section is incorrect. But for now it is a properly sourced section that should be present in the article. The Banner talk 11:06, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]