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==Template layout and formatting==

I'm not quite sure what the focus of this template is (as opposed to just using an image box), but I guess it is intended to be similar to some of the other taxoboxes.

However, in this case, I'm not sure that it is a good idea to put the title of the painting above the image. It is much more usual to put a painting's title in italics below the image - after the artist's name and then followed by the (year), size and medium. -- [[User:Solipsist|Solipsist]] 12:56, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

When should one include the name of the city after the museum? It seems only fair that the reader is told that an obscure museum like the [[Czartoryski Museum]] is in [[Kraków]] (as in the case of the ''[[Lady with an Ermine]]'' article), but what about world-famous ones such as [[Museo del Prado]] and [[Musée du Louvre]]? Is it parochial to write [[Museum of Modern Art]] instead of [[Museum of Modern Art]], [[New York City]] (particularly as 'The [[National Gallery, London|National Gallery]], [[London]]' is preferred to 'The National Gallery')? Some guidelines on this would be helpful. – [[User:Ham|Ham]] 10:53, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

:My view would almost always: there has to be a time when you learn where the Louvre is and, as for the Prado—isn’t that a rag-trade thing? After all we only read encyclopedias because we are ignorant, and the only things that can be assumed about us are that we can read and that we want to learn. Well, that’s my rant of the day. —[[User:Ian Spackman|Ian Spackman]] 21:33, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

:Now that I look more closely, this conversation seems moot. The template will automatically treat as a link what you put as the museum parameter. I’m not sure that that is a good idea. (I ''am'' sure, however, that a template which encourages editors to treat works of art as physical objects whose dimensions, physical characteristics and location are significant ''is'' a good thing.) —[[User:Ian Spackman|Ian Spackman]] 22:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

::I created an alternative to this template, [[Template:Painting2]], which may be useful in special cases: "This template is identical to Template:Painting, with one difference: it does not automatically treat the name of the artist as a link. It can therefore be used if the artist is unknown, if there are several artists, or if something should be added to the name of the artist (e.g.: "Attributed to [[Raphael]]")." [[User:Skarioffszky|Skarioffszky]] 17:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

:::I also added a new field to this template, "city=". It's optional. [[User:Skarioffszky|Skarioffszky]] 07:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Autolinking of parameters ==

A recent edit by [[User:Neutrality]] means that the template will do no auto-linking. I think overall this was a good change overall—despite the fact that a lot of existing articles will have lost useful links. I am just noting it here. —[[User:Ian Spackman|Ian Spackman]] 09:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

== Infobox alignment ==

It would be useful to be able to align some painting boxes to the lefthand side of the page. In articles where there are different versions of a painting, (eg [[The Waterseller of Seville (Velázquez)]]) it would be nice to use this template for the other versions, but be able to place them on the left. Any ideas on how this could be done? --[[User:Raggatt2000|Raggatt2000]] 13:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

:Guys, I made the change. What do you think? -- [[User:Raggatt2000|Raggatt2000]] 15:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

== Formatting problem with long titles ==

{{Infobox Painting| image_file= Eleuterio Pagliano, Lo sbarco di Garibaldi.jpg

| image_size=336px

| title= Lo sbarco di Garibaldi e dei suoi Cacciatori delle Alpi a Sesto Calende il 23 maggio del 1859

| artist= Eleuterio Pagliano

| type=[[Oil painting|Oil on canvas]]

| height=230

| width=600

| city=[[Varese]]

| museum=Musei Civici}}

The image on the right is—at this moment of the template’s development—displaying in a quite horrible manner, at least in Safari. I have included it using the code

<pre><nowiki>

{{Infobox Painting| image_file= Eleuterio Pagliano, Lo sbarco di Garibaldi.jpg

| image_size=336px

| title= Lo sbarco di Garibaldi e dei suoi Cacciatori delle Alpi a Sesto Calende il 23 maggio del 1859

| artist= Eleuterio Pagliano

| type=[[Oil painting|Oil on canvas]]

| height=230

| width=600

| city=[[Varese]]

| museum=Musei Civici}}

</nowiki></pre>

which looks perfectly legal!

There are two problems.

The first is that the year field seems to be mandatory. (Although there is a workaround: include “year=”, while leaving the parameter field blank, and the “, {{{year}}}” after the artist’s name is supressed.)

More seriously the box is sizing itself to get the title on one line. And the title is wider than the image. —[[User:Ian Spackman|Ian Spackman]] 14:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== background colour ==

Background colours are defined in the stylesheet for a good reason. The use of manual background colours for large elements should be avoided because 1) it breaks the look and feel of a skin and 2) it may make the text unreadable if a different skin is used (for example a high contrast white on black skin, used by, say, a visually imparied user). The subjective aesthetic improvements do not outweigh these problems. <span style="font-family: Verdana;">[[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] &bull; [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]]</span> 19:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

:I can't say I agree. Firstly it's a template, it shouldn't act as a crutch and it shouldn't contain information that isn't already cited in the article. Also aesthetics do play into it since it is art that is being displayed. But that is just my opinion. --[[User:Idda|Idda]] 03:05, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

== TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:Painting}}]]==

[[Template:{{ucfirst:Painting}}]] has been nominated for <s>deletion</s> renaming/moving. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#{{{2|Template:Painting}}}|the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> — [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|cont]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM|tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]])</small> 22:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

== Bug ==

For some reason the 'inches' are not displaying for me, see [[Tony Robbin]] for the example. [[User:Videmus Omnia|Videmus Omnia]] [[User talk:Videmus Omnia| ^Talk ]] 01:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:That's because the article was using {{tl|Infobox Artwork}} and not {{tl|Infobox Painting}}. Perhaps there should be a merge of the two?. &mdash;[[User:MJCdetroit|MJCdetroit]] 02:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::Ah, thanks! I was looking at this template page because {{tl|Infobox Artwork}} has no explanation or example of use, and lost track of where I was. [[User:Videmus Omnia|Videmus Omnia]] [[User talk:Videmus Omnia| ^Talk ]] 02:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==No image==

What should be done in cases where there is no image, but the infobox is still needed (e.g., see [[Garçon à la pipe]])? --[[User:Zundark|Zundark]] 08:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

:[[:Image:No image available.svg]] ? - [[User:Themightyquill|TheMightyQuill]] 23:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

::OK, that's an improvement at least. But I think no image at all would be better than an image saying "no image available". Someone who's familiar with the template scripting language could no doubt easily modify the template to handle this case automatically. --[[User:Zundark|Zundark]] 11:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

== other_language_2 ==

There is no space between the colon after the second language and the second title. This is visible on pages such as [[Mona Lisa]]. I was trying to fix this, but didn't manage to get it to work. Can somebody help? - [[User:Furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:Furrykef|Talk at me]]) 02:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

=="Museum"==

I think "museum" should be changed to "collection" in this template. Many important paintings are housed in art galleries, stately homes, private collections, etc. I don't see any reason why this field needs to be so specific. - Fox <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.228.2.111|69.228.2.111]] ([[User talk:69.228.2.111|talk]]) 01:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== This template is not compatible with convert ==

A common way to display units is {{t1|convert}}. It would make sense to change this template to allow for its use. The least disruptive approach would be to add new optional parameters such as height_convert and width_convert and allow editors to use them instead of the existing height and width parameters. For example:

:<nowiki>height_convert = {{convert|80|cm|in|abbr=on}}</nowiki>

:<nowiki>width_convert = {{convert|120|cm|in|abbr=on}}</nowiki>

would produce this result:

:{{convert|80|cm|in|abbr=on}} &times; {{convert|120|cm|in|abbr=on}}

and when inches are preferred:

:<nowiki>height_convert = {{convert|32|in|cm|abbr=on}}</nowiki>

:<nowiki>width_convert = {{convert|48|in|cm|abbr=on}}</nowiki>

would produce this result:

:{{convert|32|in|cm|abbr=on}} &times; {{convert|48|in|cm|abbr=on}}

Using convert makes other options available as well (see [[Template:Convert/doc#Parameters]] and [[Template:Convert/list_of_units/length]])

Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/67.100.125.86|67.100.125.86]] ([[User talk:67.100.125.86|talk]]) 05:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC).

::There are probably better ways to code this. For example, in the syntax if

::::height_cm =80

::::width_cm =120

::are entered, the code would look like this:

::::<nowiki>{{convert|{{{height_cm}}}|x|{{{width_cm}}}|cm|in|1|abbr=on}}</nowiki>

::and would produce this result:

::::{{convert|80|x|120|cm|in|1|abbr=on}} &mdash;<span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:MJCdetroit|<font color="#0000CD">'''MJC</font ><font color="#FF0000">detroit'''</font >]]</span> [[User_talk:MJCdetroit|^{<font color="green">(yak)</font>}]] 16:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

It would be simpler just to have a dimension parameter:

* <nowiki>dimension = {{convert|32|in|cm|abbr=on}}</nowiki>

that is common in other templates. It allows you total control of:

* metric first versus non-metric first

* cm or mm

* precision (nearest cm, nearest 0.1 cm, or nearest mm)

[[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse|talk]]) 10:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

:Simpler on this end, yes, but inbuilding {{tlf|convert}} or {{tl|convinfobox}} makes it easier when calling the template from the article. Note, though, that there's no reason we can't have the best of both worlds (easy to do with {{tlf|convinfobox}}). [[User:Jimp|J<small>IM</small>p]]_{&nbsp;[[User talk:Jimp|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Jimp|cont]]} 20:01, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Infobox styling ==

I'd started a [[template:infobox Painting/sandbox|sandbox]] to begin moving this template's styling in the direction of most modern {{tl|infobox}} templates. Comparison between the old and new styling can be seen at [[template:infobox Painting/testcases|the test cases page]]. Comments appreciated. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (not at work)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 14:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

:I like that the font has been reduced to the size of normal picture captions; that works really well. Of course [[Template:Infobox Sculpture]] and [[Template:Infobox Artwork]] are now lagging behind. Ideally I'd like to see the three merged into a single template with 'museum' (or 'collection', as suggested above) as an optional parameter and a choice, when stating dimensions, between height × width (for quadrilateral 2D works), height only (for sculptures) or diameter (for circular paintings). [[User:Ham|Ham]] 22:22, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

:: The other two are, so far as I can tell, already redundant to the new version. Feel free to try it out by swapping the name that the templates are called by in articles with "infobox Painting/sandbox". If there are no objections, I'll deploy the new code at {{tl|infobox artwork}} and redirect the other two templates. I'll be on hand to correct any errors. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (not at work)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 16:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

::: I'm being bold and going ahead with this. It seems to work in most cases. The new template is at {{tl|infobox artwork}}. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (not at work)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 17:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, but a simple redirect evidently does not the job, but causes error messages: see recent edits on[[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts]]: Infobox_trouble. So please check again, --[[User:RogoPD|RPD]] ([[User talk:RogoPD|talk]]) 04:04, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Coordinate of the object ==

Where can I put the coordinate of the object of a painting (the coordinate of the view of a painted landscape) ? -- Juergen [[Special:Contributions/91.52.171.24|91.52.171.24]] ([[User talk:91.52.171.24|talk]]) 23:51, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

== title parameter ==

Currently, the first text of the box gives the name of the [[Work of art]], e.g. <pre>title=The Baptism of Christ</pre> at [[The Baptism of Christ (Verrocchio)]].

I wonder if we could add the original (if not, common name) in the next line:

<pre><nowiki><br /> — Battesimo di Cristo —</nowiki></pre>. That would provide our readers with that important information. Any opions before I start? :-P --[[User:Scriberius|Scriberius]] ([[User talk:Scriberius|talk]]) 21:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

== Units for dimensions ==

This infobox apparently assumes dimensions will be shown in cm, which is usually fine, but leads to hard-to-read examples like [[The Last Judgment (Michelangelo)]]. It would surely be better to allow a choice of units, so we could use metres for anything over say 200cm, and certainly for a painting which is 13m x 12m! (I suppose automatically switching to metres at some point might be ok, but then there is bound to be a panorama somewhere that is 14 metres wide and 95 cm high.)

[[User:Imaginatorium|Imaginatorium]] ([[User talk:Imaginatorium|talk]]) 07:02, 16 June 2013 (UTC)