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[[England]], the largest [[Home Nations|home nation]] of the [[United Kingdom]], doesn't have its own parliament and government. The [[Parliament of England]] was the legislature of the former independent [[Kingdom of England]] and the article "[[Government of England]]" redirects to "[[Governance of England]]". We needs some treatment for those situations. --[[User:Wikipean|Wikipean]] ([[User talk:Wikipean|talk]]) 05:24, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
[[England]], the largest [[Home Nations|home nation]] of the [[United Kingdom]], doesn't have its own parliament and government. The [[Parliament of England]] was the legislature of the former independent [[Kingdom of England]] and the article "[[Government of England]]" redirects to "[[Governance of England]]". We needs some treatment for those situations. --[[User:Wikipean|Wikipean]] ([[User talk:Wikipean|talk]]) 05:24, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
: {{reply to|Wikipean}} can you be more specific? (1) the particular invocation of this template which is causing problems, (2) with a list of the false links? [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 17:53, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

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Summer Time

A link should probably be included to : Summer Time in Europe, but my skill does not extend as far as including it... Peregrine981 (talk) 12:42, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Svalbard?

I removed Svalbard from this template some time ago, not primarily because of it's international status, but mostly because of the usage of this template. This template is used in a lof of "topic in Europe", where you in Template:Football in Europe get an automatic link to Football in Svalbard. Good faith editors will ofcourse try to create these article, and the recently created Football in Svalbard (which I got speedy deleted) stated that "there are no football teams in Svalbard). You also had the List of supermarket chains in Svalbard, which is linked from every other List of supermarket chains in Europe article, through this template, and that list had an impressive amount of 1 entry. This template is very useful, but when you include Svalbard, which international status could be discussed, you are bound to get a whole lot of non-notable articles about "topic in Svalbard" created by good-faith editors. I therefore suggest we remove Svalbard from this template. Mentoz86 (talk) 12:40, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disabling specific countries

I think this template should have an option to exclude individual countries from being displayed. E.g. for maritime topics it doesn't make sense to keep showing redlinks for landlocked countries like Andorra or the Czech Republic. Or, AFAIK, some tiny states like Monaco or San Marino don't have any national parks, but {{Europe topic|List of national parks of|countries_only=yes}} is used on quite a lot of pages. So I could imagine optional parameters like |AD=no to exclude that specific list item. De728631 (talk) 13:29, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This has gone on for too long. I have no ideal why people must keep adding countries like Armenia, which aren't even close to being in Europe, or Georgia, which has technically a few uninhabited square km in Europe, or Kazakhstan, which perhaps has some minor fraction of its empty steppe in Europe. This is ludicrous, and it simply just spams an already overcrowded template.

If people insist on nitpicking on this level, let them introduce a parameter opting into displaying this stuff. This template is used all over Wikipedia, and it is supposed to be for navigating, not for autistic nitpicking.

See also boundary between Europe and Asia. The classical transcontinental countries are Russia and Turkey. Russia is primarily in Europe but also substantially in Asia. Turkey is primarily in Asia, but also substantially in Europe. I accept that it may make sense to include Turkey here, even though Turkey is clearly and overwhelmingly an Asia country. There can be discussion on this in good faith. There cannot be such discussion regarding Georgia, or Azerbaijan (which may be in Europe to some minor fraction of a percent, but according to some definitions of Europe, 0%), let alone Armenia (which is in Europe to exactly 0%).

Introduce a separate section on countries which are not unambiguously partially in Europe (only according to the most expansive definition). These would include Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Georgia. Then let people opt into displaying them if they feel their article would profit and if the "Europe topic" in question doesn't just show up as redlinks in the first place. --dab (𒁳) 08:41, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia are widely considered to be European countries - for instance by the BBC (see country profiles section at the bottom). They should probably be in both templates, but removing them from this one is a very bad move. Kazakhstan is like Turkey - mostly in Asia, but a small section is considered to be Europe - anything west of the Urals. Number 57 12:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Intended break

Please mind that my initial request and this whole section is not about the boundary between Europe and Asia. I suggested that we introduce the selective disabling of one or more countries for use in single navboxes. When the topic clearly excludes certain countries there is no need to display redlinks forever (or, e.g. until the Austrian Empire expands to the Mediterranean Sea again...) De728631 (talk) 21:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When looking at the edit history, you see editors removing England to remove the redlink to "cabinet in England" or I express a wish above to remove Svalbard to remove redlinks to Football in Svalbard or List of supermarket chains in Svalbard, so this template should have an option to remove some countries when transcluded if it shall remain useful. Mentoz86 (talk) 09:49, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bankruptcy in Europe

Is there any need for this template to be displayed on Bankruptcy in the United Kingdom and Bankruptcy in the Republic of Ireland? It's just an ugly mass of red links (only those two are filled). I kind of doubt that somewhere someone is beavering away on a detailed description of Bankruptcy in Nagorno-Karabakh, and I'm not even sure that the exact legal concept exists in every country in Europe. --81.136.143.173 (talk) 10:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The template may be worth it if the WP:Redlinks encourage development. If you feel that they don't, be WP:bold and remove it, or discuss it on their talkpage (or perhaps a wikiproject related to it). CMD (talk) 18:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Parliament of Europe and Scotland

With this template and Parliament you get Parliament of Scotland. However, the modern parliament is at Scottish Parliament. I put this here because it's mostly a template issue, but I have no idea how it could be solved. Tombomp (talk/contribs) 20:01, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Parliament and Government of England

England, the largest home nation of the United Kingdom, doesn't have its own parliament and government. The Parliament of England was the legislature of the former independent Kingdom of England and the article "Government of England" redirects to "Governance of England". We needs some treatment for those situations. --Wikipean (talk) 05:24, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikipean: can you be more specific? (1) the particular invocation of this template which is causing problems, (2) with a list of the false links? Frietjes (talk) 17:53, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]