Urumchi in xinjiang originated as a chinese style city with mostly han and hui residents. The source explicitly notes that many westerners have the misconception that the city was oiriginally uyghur and was sinicized by migration, i think noting this misconception is important since it was mentiones in an authoratative source,

http://books.google.com/books?id=MC6sAAAAIAAJ&q=Relatively+recent+feature#v=snippet&q=Relatively%20recent%20feature&f=false

Purblio (talk) 06:33, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with this view. --Christian Lassure (talk) 16:13, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is the point of this fact with regards to the riot? That the protest against power abuse is wrong? Furthermore, the grievance in the background section is about ethic issues in Xinjiang, not Urumqi, and a Han created city served as regional capital is at the heart of the migrant problem. Take it up to the Urumqi or Xinjiang article if you want, but discuss history here serves no purpose other than mud sling. Jim101 (talk) 21:20, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since the page begins with a section entitled "Background", I see no nothing amiss in adding a couple of sentences about Urumqui's origins. And you should refrain from calling other contributors "mud slingers". --Christian Lassure (talk) 15:12, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By your logic, then I would also see nothing amiss to write a complete history of how human beings evolved from Africa and their difficult journey of migration into Central Asia (look ma, it's the Amazing Race without wheels), or the fact that Wang Zhen murdered a couple thousands of Uyghurs as Xinjiang's governor in the 1950s (I kill you as revenge for you kill me as revenge for I kill you, blah, blah, blah), despite the fact that no commentators noted those things as directly related to the riot...before putting words in people's mouth and making incredible leap of logic, please consider what is the definition of off topic. Jim101 (talk) 15:53, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We've had that discussion before. This article is about the riots, and the "Background" explains the roots of the conflict. It clearly says one side believes this, the other believes that, and that is the background. This isn't the place to make any sort of argument as to who is "right". Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 15:27, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Both Uyghurs and Han are immigrants to Dzungharia in northern Xinjiang (or Ili). The natives of the region were the Mongol Dzungar people who ruled the Zunghar Khanate. The Qing dynasty defeated the Dzunghars in the Ten Great Campaigns, and settled Han, Hui, Manchus, Xibe, and Taranchis (Uyghurs) into Dzungharia.Beyond the Pass: Economy, Ethnicity, and Empire in Qing Central Asia, 1759-1864 By James A. Millward page 77Eurasian Crossroads: A History of Xinjiang By James A. Millward page 93Eurasian Crossroads: A History of Xinjiang By James A. Millward page 118China Marches West: The Qing Conquest of Central Eurasia By Peter C Perdue page 352State Capitalism, Contentious Politics and Large-Scale Social Change page 188 Professor of Chinese and Central Asian History at Georgetown University, James A. Millward wrote that foreigners often mistakenly think that Urumqi was originally a Uyghur city and that the Chinese destroyed its Uyghur character and culture, however, Urumqi was founded as a Chinese city by Han and Hui (Tungans), and it is the Uyghurs who are new to the city.Beyond the Pass: Economy, Ethnicity, and Empire in Qing Central Asia, 1759-1864 By James A. Millward page 133 Beyond the Pass: Economy, Ethnicity, and Empire in Qing Central Asia, 1759-1864 By James A. Millward page 134

Problem? I see no credibility issues regarding the authors or publishers.

Rajmaan (talk) 23:49, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful. How does this address the point made above? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 23:50, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Again and again...The problem isn't creditability, the problem is how does this related to the riot? The riot started because there is no 8 feet tall physical barrier between Han and Uyghur? Why is it people keeps on digging histories back to the dawn of human kind for no apparent reasons? And who the hell freaking care whose land is it anyway? Jim101 (talk) 23:54, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I do make one small change to the background hyperlink from Xinjiang to History of Xinjiang, so that people don't mistake this article as a THE article for History of Xinjiang. Jim101 (talk) 23:59, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

These riots happen in an area with alot of han and uyghur living together, in addition that area happens to be Dzhungharia, not a uyghur center like Kashgar. The information provides background on how the uyghurs and han ended up there. I can understand if an article on a riot in Khotan and Kashgar doesn't mention that uyghurs are immigrants to Dzungharia, since it has nothing to do with that. Real issues, like the demolishment of uyghur buildings in kashgar and grievances on development in southern Xinjiang can be written about in their respective articles. Urumqi is in Dzhungaria, and they came to both the city and the region as immigrants. This is why the information is relevant.

The article as it reads right now sounds like the evil Chinese invaded xinjiang, that the entire xinjiang province is uyghur native land and that millions of chinese and swamping them in their own homeland:

In general, Uyghurs and the mostly Han government disagree on which group has greater historical claim to the Xinjiang region: Uyghurs believe their ancestors were indigenous to the area, whereas government policy considers present-day Xinjiang to have belonged to China since around 200 BC.[24] According to PRC policy, Uyghurs are classified as a National Minority rather than an indigenous group—in other words, they are considered to be no more indigenous to Xinjiang than the Han, and have no special rights to the land under the law.[24] The People's Republic has presided over the migration into Xinjiang of millions of Han, who dominate the region economically and politically.[25][26][27][28]

the sources I provided indicate the history of uyghurs in the region, that they are immigrants along with the Han and it is the Dzhunghar mongols who are indigenous, not uyghurs.

and Jim101, you want to talk about Wang Zhen murdering Uyghurs in the 1950s? What about the uyghurs murdering several thousand han with soviet support in the 1940s? what about Isa Yusuf Alptekin supporting the murder of children for "revenge"? and speaking of that, the Soviet Stalin backed Second East Turkestan Republic should be mentioned in the background as well. It was a major event that happened in the area and is very relevant. Rajmaan (talk) 00:07, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No. None of that is relevant to the immediate background of the article's topic. We've been over this many times. Refer to the archives. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 00:09, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I could not find anyone bringing up the topic of how uyghurs came to live in Dzhungharia in the archives. Show me the relevant thread.

Xinjiang is a large central-Asian region within the People's Republic of China comprising numerous minority groups: 45% of its population are Uyghurs, and 40% are Han.[23][b] Its heavily industrialised capital, Ürümqi, has a population of more than 2.3 million, about 75% of whom are Han, 12.8% are Uyghur, and 10% are from other ethnic groups.[23][/b]

In general, Uyghurs and the mostly Han government disagree on which group has greater historical claim to the Xinjiang region: Uyghurs believe their ancestors were indigenous to the area, whereas government policy considers present-day Xinjiang to have belonged to China since around 200 BC.[24] According to PRC policy, [b]Uyghurs are classified as a National Minority rather than an indigenous group—in other words, they are considered to be no more indigenous to Xinjiang than the Han,[/b] and have no special rights to the land under the law.[24] The People's Republic has presided over the migration into Xinjiang of millions of Han, who dominate the region economically and politically.[25][26][27][28]

None of the highlighted is any more relevant to the background than what I added to the article. After all, this article is about the riots, not whether the PRC considers uyghurs indigenous or the percentage of han to uyghur.

The article as it reads right now sounds like the evil Chinese invaded Xinjiang. That is your assumption, not my assumption. It seems to me your are want to right great wrongs on any article related to Xinjiang history about how Xinjiang is Han land, even through this article is NOT, I repeat, NOT a discussion about Xinjiang history, or international border dispute, or how human beings crawled out of cave in Africa and dragged their butt into Asia.

As for Wang Zhang, the counter question for you is why did you decide to highlight the fact the Urumuqi is a Han city, while trying to discredit Wang Zhang's role in Xinjiang's history (even through I have no interest in such history talk)? A little something called selection bias maybe? Jim101 (talk) 00:14, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thus the black pot calls the white kettle black. Who is advocating or trying to right wrongs? Who said, [b]"That the protest against power abuse is wrong? Furthermore, the grievance in the background section is about ethic issues in Xinjiang, not Urumqi, and a Han created city served as regional capital is at the heart of the migrant problem."[/b]. Where did I say Xinjiang is han land? Did i not say that the Dzhunghar mongols were the natives to Dzhungharia? Rajmaan (talk) 02:01, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Did Ugyhur migration into Dzhungharia ever cited as cause for the riot? Show me a source specifically said "that the ethnic tension under PRC rule of Xinjiang is caused by Uyghurs migrated into Dzhungharia few hundrend years ago". Did "the protest against power abuse" ever cited as a caused for the riot? Citation 46. Is "Han migration" into Xinjiang a serious ethic problem after 1949? Citation 36. What does that tell us? At best WP:IINFO and at worse WP:SYN. Furthermore, since you are so sure you are right, you still didn't answer my question, why do you want to publicize the history of Han settlement of Urumqi, but not the history of PRC administration of Xinjiang? Aren't both part of History of Xinjiang? Jim101 (talk) 02:21, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]