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"A music video created by Del Rey for the song was posted on YouTube in August 2011 and became a viral internet hit. Del Rey then signed a joint deal with Interscope and Polydor in collaboration with Stranger Recordsin July 2011." doesn't make sense to me. teammathi (talk) 18:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is confusing about it? It's correct English. That aside, there are noticeable flaws in the lead. The first being that there are sources in it. According to WP:LEAD, the lead should contain no sources. All text in the lead should summarize what is sourced in the article body. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 18:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's grammatically correct but it doesn't make sense that she posted the video in August and then signed a deal in July 2011 (sorry, for some reason I forgot to copy the July 2011). Yes, we should correct that, too. teammathi (talk) 18:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is even more confusing than I thought. First, I'm looking at the Vogue source, which seems to be the most reliable. In it, it says that Del Rey signed her first record deal at age 20, contradicting the first sentence of the article; it says 21. Next, it says that she signed the joint contract with Interscope and Polydor in October 2011. The article expresses that she signed a deal with Stranger and 5 point to release "Video Games" before anything with Interscrope/Polydor happened. The sources seem to contradict that statement as well. As it stands, I'm not entirely sure of how to revise it, since I'm not entirely sure WHAT happened. Here's the source I'm using: http://www.vogue.co.uk/spy/biographies/lana-del-rey --Thevampireashlee (talk) 19:07, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, sources contradict on many topics considering Ms. Grant. I think the problem with the age at her signing has something to do with Del Rey's actual birthdate being in 1985, not 1986. The United States Copyright Office and many other sources support this (^[1]). In this interview, David Nichtern (5 Points records owner) says she was signed in 2007 so maybe we should add that to the article (^[2]). In this interview form January 28, 2010 she's 24 that'd mean that she's 27 now (^[3]). teammathi (talk) 19:21, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A common trend in the music industry, it appears. On the Nicki Minaj article, we've encountered similar problems. Record labels want to their artists to be younger on paper. Younger = sexier = better sales. I think we should use whichever dates and numbers are the most common among sources -- despite what we know is true. For all we know, she could be a 700 year old vampire. Would explain why she changed her name so many times. ;) All of this aside, I attempted to mend the lead with the Vogue. I added other information I thought was relevant. Once we decide which dates and ages are the most common, we can fix it further. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 19:30, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, sadly we don't have many reliable sources saying she's 27. teammathi (talk) 23:00, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I initially believed that Paradise was her third EP, following Kill Kill and her self-titled Interscope debut. However, I recently uncovered (ANOTHER!) hidden release from Miss Lizzy. Apparently, it's called No Kung Fu. If we could procure more reliable sources, we could write an individual article on it, but I'm surprised it has not even been mentioned on the artist's article. I think I saw something about it on List of Lana Del Rey songs or was it List of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs before it was deleted? Could the EP perhaps have been a fan creation, or was it an unreleased demo like Sirens? Here are some unreliable sources that I uncovered:

• http://lyrics.wikia.com/Lana_Del_Rey:No_Kung_Fu_%282007%29
• http://www.yourmusictoday.com/2012/02/13/lana-del-rey-kung-fu-complete-2007-demo/

Looks like all the tracks were used on her debut, Lana Del Ray a.k.a. Lizzy Grant. Thoughts?

No Kung Fu is just a fanmade EP with demos. Somebody said that it was a demo that was given do David Kahne in 2007, but it isn't, some fan just created it. And the list of unreleased songs is now here: User:TV/sandbox/List of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs. teammathi (talk) 22:54, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the swift replay, Teammathi. I decided to create a redirect for No Kung Fu, anyway. Future readers and editors may search for information on a similar topic, so I feel its necessary to at least acknowledge it and point them toward illumination. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 03:36, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I know this may sound trivial, but Del Rey drives a Jaguar XK. Since she is also the face of Jaguar and she most probably got her car through that deal I thought it may be notable and could be included in the personal life section. I can provide a source if it should be included. teammathi (talk) 15:50, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since I have nominated Born to Die Tour (which I created myself) for deletion because it has never officially been named that and the 2013 tour doesn't have a name, I suggest that we add a "Performances" section to this article discussing tours, performances on TV shows etc. teammathi (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - are you going to extract the data from the Tour article before it is deleted ? RGCorris (talk) 12:07, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I added it to my sandbox. teammathi (talk) 14:34, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just a thought but perhaps the information would be better suited for the Born to Die (Lana Del Rey album) since the venues are being used to promote that album? --Thevampireashlee (talk) 14:23, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

what are your sources for the personal life biography of her? Especially the parts about being an alcoholic teenager and then having lived in a trailer park . It sounds contradictive to the fact her rich father helped her finance , market her album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.84.169 (talk) 02:31, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The source for her alcoholism is her GQ interview, the source for her living in a trailer park is her interview with The Huffington Post. There's nothing in the article about her father financing her life or the marketing her album because it's not true. teammathi (talk) 09:37, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you wrote this about her father yourself in this page :" Her father, Robert Grant, helped with the marketing of the album,[23] which was available for purchase on iTunes for a brief period before being withdrawn."Then it is at least partly true to you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.84.169 (talk) 17:46, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ok, then maybe he did help her out. She did live in a trailer park though. How is that contradicting? teammathi (talk) 19:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have actually encountered this argument before: "no one would live in a trailer park unless they were desperate", and "no one with a wealthy family member could be desperate". I have not yet seen any WP-policy/guidance-related objection to the content here, and on short review, I don't see a problem with the trailer park bit.User talk:Unfriend12 20:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

well someone can be desperate in any situation and context, rich or poor, but saying she was homeless sounds a bit overemphasized if you do some research and find out about her backgrounds.Might be true or not, It all sounds a bit like a cinderella story and It's good to do some research before believing anything interview magazines say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.84.169 (talk) 15:41, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

She wasn't homeless, she lived in a trailer park. I've done plenty of research and she definitely did live in a trailer park, she's said that plenty of times. teammathi (talk) 20:26, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"saying she was homeless" - Be aware that wp:BLP applies to talk pages as well as article pages, 90.46.84.169. Are you saying there is an article that claims she was homeless? If there is and there is no source, please link it or fix it, but next time, please put the comment on the talk page for that article, and perhaps see wp:talk.User talk:Unfriend12 21:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The only mention of "homeless" here involves her work with homeless outreach... helping the homeless.User talk:Unfriend12 21:26, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ok, once again, this is said in your artcile itself, in similar words : " I felt trapped before I got to the trailer park because I had nowhere to live". anyways,these are just her own words, I personally don't believe someone who's been lying about things as obvious as her surgery. I guess everyone saw these images that are talking more than words, then it's up to you what you like to believe. http://alteredidentity.com/lana-del-rey-plastic-surgery-before-and-after/ peace out! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.123.223.155 (talk) 22:00, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First, please sign your posts so Sinebot will stop its spam. ;)

"what you like to believe" - I don't "believe" any of it. "Does it appear in a wp:reliable source?" If so, my belief does not matter, if not, it doesn't belong. wp:NOR - our own personal beliefs or knowledge simply don't matter. If what you mean is "Do you believe the source, that she actually said that?" then again it doesn't matter. If you think the source listed does not meet wp:RS, then perhaps consult the archives at wp:RSN to see if it has been challenged... and decide if it should be... and challenge it if it seems best. Personally, my question is "Why do we need this in an encyclopedia article about a performing artist?" which has nothing to do with the subject of this section.User talk:Unfriend12 23:19, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And the large quote is sourced only to a blog entry at HP. Dropped.User talk:Unfriend12 23:28, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As a note, checking wp:RSN shows that blog entries at Huffington Post are... blog entries, no good in and of themselves as wp:RS, and most certainly not good enough to put something like this quote into a wp:BLP.User talk:Unfriend12 23:33, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]