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Dear Looie496 |
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Thank you for your comments! |
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There is not a single sign of "advertisement" in the paragraph I have added. You may need to redefine "advertisement" and "information". To me, advertisement means "to campaign for correctness of an idea". That is far from what is reported in the paragraph I have added. The paragraph is talking about a hypothesis that can be tested, accepted or rejected, but not removed without proper reasons. You may of course conduct a series of experiments in your lab, reject one or more points of the hypothesis, report them in a paper of your own, and then add (not remove) some text after my paragraph saying that the hypothesis has been questioned, rejected or accepted by your results. Otherwise, removing an informative statement about a new functional hypothesis seems more like "censorship", which is way far from Wikipedia mission. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Iman Kamali Sarvestani|Iman Kamali Sarvestani]] ([[User talk:Iman Kamali Sarvestani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Iman Kamali Sarvestani|contribs]]) 17:54, 22 March 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:{{tps}} Wicked [[WP:COI]] and direct cut-and-paste issues. Your additions are virtually all copied word-for-word from your own "source"[http://www.frontiersin.org/Systems_Neuroscience/10.3389/fnsys.2011.00013/abstract], which I assume is not following a consensus of reliable sources. I saw a similar problem recently at [[Testicular cancer]][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Testicular_cancer&diff=418253475&oldid=418246799] and [[Quarter (United States coin)]][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quarter_%28United_States_coin%29&diff=418252975&oldid=418252491], where a study was attempted to be introduced that linked the cancer to carrying around quarters in your pockets. Jus' sayin'... [[User:Doc9871|<font color="#000000" size="2">'''Doc'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]] 19:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC) |
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Dear all who commented, Thank you for your comments! |
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1_ The comment about word-to-word copy/paste are really reasonable. I am going to write a new version that is not copy/pasted. Thank you for reminding me. |
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2_ The comment about quarters and cancers does not make any sense to me. Linking cancers to quarters in your pocket is a matter of acceptability of the idea developed in the paper. I have not read that article (I don't really have time for crap), and do not know who has reviewed it. Our paper has qualified reviewers. Of course you may be more qualified than them (I do not really know you in person), but if you have any comments on the idea developed in our paper, you may openly discuss it. I am most pleased to discuss science. The rest is nonsense to me. I can not find a logical link between that paper and ours. Feel free to give me the link or apologize for nonsense linking. |
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3_ The comment about source reliability is strange. Is it the similarity of the Wikipedia user name and first author's name that makes in unreliable? If someone appears with a nickname in Wikipedia and cites his/her own paper is it considered "reliable" because he/she has cited another name? As for me, I have written the paper and I am reporting it proudly. I am up for scientific discussions about it, but at the same time I will stand against any non-scientific comments given. I hope you will start the academic way of discussing things. That is simple: stick to science, science and science. I hope you will read the paper, find the flaws (I m sure there are some just like any other text) and discuss them. Removing the text blindly is not a real academic practice. It sounds "censorship" to me. |
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4_ If you read the paper and notice that some main stream ideas are left out in our article, or are not mentioned, I will of course be more than happy to add. My impression is that in our paper we have well cited all previous work appropriately. Citing oneself is not prohibited once the paper well covers all other relevant ideas. Please read the paper first. I hope you will enjoy it. |
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[[User:Iman Kamali Sarvestani|Iman Kamali Sarvestani]] ([[User talk:Iman Kamali Sarvestani|talk]]) 22:49, 22 March 2011 (UTC) |
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:Let me make another try here. I think you misunderstand the goal of a Wikipedia article. It is supposed to be an encyclopedia article, similar to what you might expect to find in the Encyclopedia Britannica. The material should be the same sort that would go into an undergraduate neuroscience textbook. Would you expect your paper to be covered in a basic undergraduate textbook or a major encyclopedia? Maybe at some point in the future, but not yet, I think. The same thing applies to Wikipedia. [[User:Looie496|Looie496]] ([[User talk:Looie496#top|talk]]) 23:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC) |
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Dear Looie496, |
Dear Looie496, |
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Thank you for your comment! |
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Revision as of 21:28, 23 March 2011
If you leave a message for me here, I'll respond here. If I leave a message on your talk page, I'll look there for a response (but of course you can respond here if you want to).
Nemertea
Hi, Looie496. What do you think of my suggestion that we look at the rest of the review, and then return to the lede. --Philcha (talk) 20:24, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- Hi, Looie496, you seem to busy at present. Please note that I'll be on holiday Fri 18 Mar to Mon 28 Mar 2011 inclusive. --Philcha (talk) 10:29, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks
Merit was not only mine. Your marvellous GA review was of great help. Just for curiosity: I hope Parkinson's disease appears in Main page in a month (April 11: world's PD day). Bests.--Garrondo (talk) 07:57, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
- I presume you know how to go about nominating it? Looie496 (talk) 17:02, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
- I will nominate it along the week: since it is 8 points there should be no problem with it getting to the main page.--Garrondo (talk) 18:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
The proposed split appears to be appropriate. However, this is a specialised topic so the work should be done by somebody who understand the topic. I am also notifying User:Captain-n00dle who proposed the split, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Neuroscience and Wikipedia:WikiProject Primates. I am removing the split tag, as the request has now been responded to, and it is up to those closest to the topic to carry out the split. SilkTork *YES! 21:48, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Rastamouse-ting (talk · contribs · logs) has been indefinitely blocked for "Personal attacks or harassment". Cheers, Chzz ► 20:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks -- I guess we self-righteous tossers will just have to get along without him somehow. Looie496 (talk) 22:32, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for your comments. I've withdrawn the complaint as the user applogised to me. KnowIG (talk) 21:18, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Arbitration-extension
Dear Looie496, Thank you for your comment! The Wikipedia article on the basal ganglia is embarrasingly poor. It does not even include text book information. It does not say anything for example about hyperdirect pathway. It does not say anything about dimensionality reduction, it does not say anything about "hold your horses" hypothesis and many more. Ironically, it contains so many details such as existance of the basal ganglia in lamprey which is definitely not a text book fact. In fact, as we have also reported in our paper, the existance of full basal ganglia connectivity in lamprey has just been recently (2011) verified. When we were publishing our article, we contacted our friends who proved it, they have not et even published it. In fact, six references in the current version of the Wikipedia article on basal ganglia are 2010 papers, one is 2009, three are 2008. You can barely find anything before 2000 in it. Therefore, I am afraid I can not accept your logic. Your logic seems correct, but that logic is not implemented in the basal ganglia article. I am sure it is not implemented elsewhere in Wikipedia either. You may check the article on "Basal Ganglia System in Primates" where you can find tens of "non-text book" level points. I would love of course to contribute to a more comprehensive article, once we have an actually implemented rule. Before that, I guess removing the paragraphs I add is unfair, and certainly not professional. Our paper is indeed a novel hypothesis discussing a "big picture" of the basal ganglia. The paper is about what basal ganglia is on a macro level. In other words, it is certainly a text book level paper. Read it and you will find a sweet story that is understandable for people in hippocampus or migrain research as well. It is readable and understandable for anyone who knows basic neuroscience. It is not a detailed analysis of the synapses between two nuclei in a specific thread of rats. It is a generic story of the basal ganglia that best fits text books. On the other hand, it has fully covered almost any other big picture demonstrated by others since 1970s. The fact that the wikipedia article on basal ganglia is so poor to have missed for example Mink's ideas or Graybiel's matrisome concept that are 70s and 80s ideas does not justify removing our novel idea. Iman Kamali Sarvestani (talk) 00:03, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
- You are exactly right! The article is embarrassingly poor. And the primate basal ganglia article is truly awful. If you would like to make the BG article better by putting in some of the textbook information that is missing, that would be wonderful. A discussion of action-selection theories based on recent reviews would not be out of place, and I would not object (much) to a citation of your own paper in the context of a full comparative discussion. But we need to avoid using Wikipedia simply as a pointer to our own papers. I have my own theory of how the hippocampus (my own research topic) works, which I think everybody ought to know, but I have not described it in the hippocampus article, even though I wrote most of that article. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 00:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Dear Looie, Thank you for your comments! I will be more than glad to contribute to writing an article on current state of art in how decisions are made in the BG. That takes some days. I will be back to you with a draft. Cheers Iman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iman Kamali Sarvestani (talk • contribs) 00:31, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Students
Actually I do not think they get less points by interacting with others, and nevertheless most of my edits have been as examples of what has to be done. Have you notice the talk page I have created for making general comments to the students? --Garrondo (talk) 18:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it's very good, I should have said so. I did not really mean to be critical of your excellent efforts, it's just that I found that one of the hardest things for people who have not been teachers (and I really don't know whether you have or not) is to suppress the natural human urge to be helpful. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 19:36, 22 March 2011 (UTC)