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There appears to be a pending edit war on this article. Please discuss before doing any more reverts. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 20:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So far this appears to be the only discussion outside of edit summaries:

I appreciate your good-faith edits on List of Korean musicians. I generally do not like to be a source of any edit war so I will personally discuss this with you.

Yes I am not from South Korea, I am from Pakistan. Yet I am the one who made this well-organized list for Koreans because they had not done this themselves. Wikipedia is not about where editor is from. It is about good-faith and proper editing.

Firstly, you have a point there. There are Chinese artists in the list. But the criteria for adding entries is NOT the nationality of the artists. It is the language they use. If it was about the nationality, the list would be named List of South Korean musicians.

Secondly, this is about music, which includes ballad singers, k-pop singers. Musicians not only includes vocalists but also instrumentalists. Music is music. If you have to be specific to k-pop, please edit List of K-pop artists instead.

If you will not reply me in three days time. I will consider reverting your edits. I will also add footnotes that would explain the readers that these artists are not of Korean ethnicity. Farjad0322 (talk) 19:54, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Looking at the stated article criteria "This is a list of musical artists that sing in Korean language" it appears that what we need is a citation for each entry that verifies that the artist sings in Korean. For those that we are not able to find a citation, WP:LIST and WP:BIO and WP:V state that we need to remove them from the list.Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 20:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is citation for each entry is necessary...I mean, all entries are linked to their respective articles (which state that they sing in Korean). As for artists that are not of Korean ethnicity, we cann put footnotes with them. Farjad0322 (talk) 20:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:BIO#Lists_of_people: "Furthermore, every entry in any such list requires a reliable source attesting to the fact that the named person is a member of the listed group." Yes, sources for every entry in lists involving people. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 23:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just great! Now the real work begins...I will start sourcing the entries by tommorow. Farjad0322 (talk) 00:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Given this edit [1]. There may be some dispute about the contents of the article. Before you begin sourcing, you may want to verify with the other user that s/he will agree to that definition. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 00:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I plan to involve a South Korean administrator to define it for us. I will try finding him/her on Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea. If that won't work, I will ask an administrator from Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians to make a definition. In either way, it is going to be a long trip. So, I will start from tommorow with a fresh mind. Farjad0322 (talk) 01:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Before anyone start fixing this list, we need to collect opinions on definition of criteria for entries in the list. Without the definition, we cannot start adding citations. Criteria could be one OR more of the following. Farjad0322 (talk) 18:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• A. Musicians by ethnicity e.g. Artist needs to be of Korean ancestry but need not be in Korean states (e.g. can be active in Japan)
• B. Musicians by nationality e.g. Artist is a national of either South Korea or North Korea...may be of other ethnicities...
  Category:North Korean musicians and Category:North Korean musicians
• C. Musicians by language e.g. Artists need to sing in Korean language - will create problems for instrumentalists and artists of other ethnicities...footnotes suggested
• D. Musicians by genre e.g. Ballad (such as K.Will), Rock (such as TRAX (band)), K-pop (such as SNSD), Hip-hop (such as Taeyang) etc.
  Category:Korean musicians by genre
• E. Musicians by type e.g. Type of music: vocalists, rappers, DJs, songwriters, instrumentalists, composers...
• F. Other ideas...share...
• G. Or may be we should delete the list and rely on Category:Korean musicians in future...
• H. Or may be we should create a separate list for each of these options...
• I. Or may be we should modify this list into tables (one for solo artists and one for bands) such as one below. (This will solve most our problems but will require multiple citations)...

• somewhere (within the naming guidelines or disambiguation maybe?) there is a proposition of "least astonishment" - that article content/names should be the ones that when a reader arrives on the page the content should be the "least astonishing" connection. For me, upon hearing "Korean musicians" I would be least astonished if the list were people of Korean Nationality. I would not be very astonished if I landed on the page and saw that it was people of Korean ethnicity. I would be slightly more, but not unreasonably, astonished upon seeing people who have recorded/performed in the Korean language. I am not seeing any of the proposals as being astonishing enough that I would block consensus for their use. (as a side note I hate working with tables, but the suggested table format would allow an organization of all of the potential data.) Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 18:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will hate working with tables too...it will require more citations...but I wanted collective opinion of wikipedians who have worked on articles of Koreans artists in the past. I have invited at least 12 active wikipedians to take part in this...By the way, which definition you think is the best for criteria of listing? Farjad0322 (talk) 18:39, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• I agree with Active Banana. "Korean musicians" is typically considered to be musicians of Korean nationality, like American musicians are from America, English musicians are from England, etc. This list shouldn't be about artists that simply sing in Korean or have a Korean ethnicity. mx3 話 05:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]