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:Yes please propose for deletion, first half only has been deleted by an Admin. I think the best place for this topic may be within the existing page "Inns of Court", but I note above that Ironholds is planning a new article on this topic, and my hope is that he might give the historical background more prominence. I will therefore leave this subject in his capable hands and move my attention elsewhere. Thanks.([[User:Lobsterthermidor|Lobsterthermidor]] ([[User talk:Lobsterthermidor#top|talk]]) 16:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)) |
:Yes please propose for deletion, first half only has been deleted by an Admin. I think the best place for this topic may be within the existing page "Inns of Court", but I note above that Ironholds is planning a new article on this topic, and my hope is that he might give the historical background more prominence. I will therefore leave this subject in his capable hands and move my attention elsewhere. Thanks.([[User:Lobsterthermidor|Lobsterthermidor]] ([[User talk:Lobsterthermidor#top|talk]]) 16:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)) |
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::To be honest, probably not. The Inns of Court as a combined body have so much on them that I can't really include a complete history of the use of each one. It's not going to be an article on all four, so much as one on the Inns as a whole - educational trends, type of members, so on. [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 18:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC) |
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Speedy deletion nomination of Watson's of Leeds

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April 2010
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- Hi, Lobsterthermidor, I have removed your hangon tag from the above article; the references make it a notable subject. However, please don't remove speedy deletion templates from any articles you create; this is often interpreted as vandalism by editors. Thanks, and happy editing, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:57, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Hello Lobsterthermidor. The person seems to be depicted here: File:HenryVIIdeathbed.jpg. For more sources, you can check Google Books. Have a good day. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 11:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Hello. Please do not replace the #REDIRECT [[...]] string with the original article's text. I have moved your article to a new title because it did not really conform with our naming conventions. Anyone who looks for "Sir Richard Weston of Sutton Place" will automatically be redirected to the new title, Richard Weston (1465–1541). Regards, De728631 (talk) 20:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Gray's Inn
Your additions here are completely unreferenced, unless they appear in Fletcher's work. As such, I'd suggest you follow WP:BRD and don't keep blindly inserting the material. Ironholds (talk) 12:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
May 2010

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- I am not holding this for a comment from the blocking administrator, but from the subject of the legal threat to confirm that you have redacted and withdrawn the threat. SGGH ping! 12:18, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
- The conversation basically went "You hacked my computer, I'm reporting you to the police" "That's a legal threat" "alright, I won't go to the police if you don't hack my computer again". I'll leave it to you to decide if that counts as a withdrawal. Ironholds (talk) 16:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
- Text of e-mail received from Ironholds 25/5/ 16:31 "On the subject of the legal threat; I've emailed the blocking admin to note that you've revoked it". Sounds like an acceptance to me. My revokation to him was not conditional as he asserts. I simply added, please don't do it again, not if you do it again...then... There is a big difference. It was done in writing, I've never had a conversation with him, the e-mail's there to prove it, if required. I will repeat it here if that helps to clarify my attitude. Dear Ironholds, My legal threat is withdrawn unconditionally, and I apologise for having made it, due to an unfortunate misunderstanding on my part. I have learned my lesson, I now know what the rules are and as I stated, it definitely will not happen again. I am very sorry to have acted in the way I did, I'm new here, no excuse I know. I believe I have got lots of good work to contribute.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 18:44, 25 May 2010 (UTC))
- Yup, sorry - the message I left here was pre-email to you. I've got no problem with (and support) this unblock. I think that Lobsterthermidor has the potential to be an excellent contributor; he just isn't that familiar with our policies. Ironholds (talk) 23:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
- Text of e-mail received from Ironholds 25/5/ 16:31 "On the subject of the legal threat; I've emailed the blocking admin to note that you've revoked it". Sounds like an acceptance to me. My revokation to him was not conditional as he asserts. I simply added, please don't do it again, not if you do it again...then... There is a big difference. It was done in writing, I've never had a conversation with him, the e-mail's there to prove it, if required. I will repeat it here if that helps to clarify my attitude. Dear Ironholds, My legal threat is withdrawn unconditionally, and I apologise for having made it, due to an unfortunate misunderstanding on my part. I have learned my lesson, I now know what the rules are and as I stated, it definitely will not happen again. I am very sorry to have acted in the way I did, I'm new here, no excuse I know. I believe I have got lots of good work to contribute.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 18:44, 25 May 2010 (UTC))
- The conversation basically went "You hacked my computer, I'm reporting you to the police" "That's a legal threat" "alright, I won't go to the police if you don't hack my computer again". I'll leave it to you to decide if that counts as a withdrawal. Ironholds (talk) 16:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
- I am not holding this for a comment from the blocking administrator, but from the subject of the legal threat to confirm that you have redacted and withdrawn the threat. SGGH ping! 12:18, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
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- The Gray's Inn article looks to be very thorough. But if you have more information, why can you not add it to that article? — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 00:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- The Gray's Inn article is on the Inn of Court - Lobsterthermidor's article is about the ownership of the land itself prior to the Society's purchase, which is distinct.Ironholds (talk) 00:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- That is correct. The article you refer to is about the history of the Honourable Society of Gray's Inn, distinguished tenants and later owners of the manor, which necessarily deals in a fairly superficial manner with the early history. There is a thousand years of history to relate before that time - not that I intend to do it all, but certainly the early mediaeval portion. It will dove-tail into that article. The page on Inns of Court gives the entire history only a couple of lines, and is currently swathed in tags, unreferenced etc. Where is the history of the manor to go? I'm sure all agree it should not be suppressed? Do not wiki readers wish to know about these things? I don't see what the issue is.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 00:57, 26 May 2010 (UTC))
- Seconded; if there are sources, it should have an article, full stop. (Incidentally, I'm planning on writing a big-arse article on the Inns of Court generally. Obviously it will again be a bit superficial, dealing with the Inns as an educational and professional institution only). Ironholds (talk) 01:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- I am grateful for you secondment, but the consensus seems to be that the article is not wanted, so I'm not going to waste my time writing and researching only to have it deleted. Good luck with the Inns of Court article.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 01:12, 26 May 2010 (UTC))
- Why don't you work on the article in your user space first, and then move it out when it's ready? That way you won't have to fear an incomplete version being deleted while you're working on it. Akerans (talk) 01:20, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- Very good point - wish I had thought of that before. Had pretty much reached the same conclusion myself. Will do so in future.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 19:13, 26 May 2010 (UTC))
- Why don't you work on the article in your user space first, and then move it out when it's ready? That way you won't have to fear an incomplete version being deleted while you're working on it. Akerans (talk) 01:20, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- I am grateful for you secondment, but the consensus seems to be that the article is not wanted, so I'm not going to waste my time writing and researching only to have it deleted. Good luck with the Inns of Court article.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 01:12, 26 May 2010 (UTC))
- Seconded; if there are sources, it should have an article, full stop. (Incidentally, I'm planning on writing a big-arse article on the Inns of Court generally. Obviously it will again be a bit superficial, dealing with the Inns as an educational and professional institution only). Ironholds (talk) 01:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- That is correct. The article you refer to is about the history of the Honourable Society of Gray's Inn, distinguished tenants and later owners of the manor, which necessarily deals in a fairly superficial manner with the early history. There is a thousand years of history to relate before that time - not that I intend to do it all, but certainly the early mediaeval portion. It will dove-tail into that article. The page on Inns of Court gives the entire history only a couple of lines, and is currently swathed in tags, unreferenced etc. Where is the history of the manor to go? I'm sure all agree it should not be suppressed? Do not wiki readers wish to know about these things? I don't see what the issue is.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 00:57, 26 May 2010 (UTC))
- The Gray's Inn article is on the Inn of Court - Lobsterthermidor's article is about the ownership of the land itself prior to the Society's purchase, which is distinct.Ironholds (talk) 00:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Gray's Inn Manor again
Hello,
At present I can't see any connection between the title of this article and the content in it, but all the same I can see that you are writing about a verifiable historical subject of some interest. Do you intend to add to the article to clarify what it's actually about? If so, I'll leave it alone and let you do so. If not, I'll consider proposing it for deletion because it's not useful to the reader in its current state.
Cheers,
Thparkth (talk) 13:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- Yes please propose for deletion, first half only has been deleted by an Admin. I think the best place for this topic may be within the existing page "Inns of Court", but I note above that Ironholds is planning a new article on this topic, and my hope is that he might give the historical background more prominence. I will therefore leave this subject in his capable hands and move my attention elsewhere. Thanks.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 16:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC))
- To be honest, probably not. The Inns of Court as a combined body have so much on them that I can't really include a complete history of the use of each one. It's not going to be an article on all four, so much as one on the Inns as a whole - educational trends, type of members, so on. Ironholds (talk) 18:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)