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This entire section is in violation of the WP:TRIV guidelines for lists of trivia. Most of the section is unsourced and full of non-notable information, and therefore faces mass deletion unless rewritten to comply with wikipedia policy. magnius (talk) 14:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the information should be sourced, but not that it is non-notable. The general consensus among most editors of this page is that these references in popular culture make a statement about how Journey is more than just a rock band but has become a "concept." A bit over a year ago I moved the basis for this section over from a dedicated page.

Let's encourage that it be sourced as much as possible, and perhaps the top of the section should explain what I just said.

Dave Golland (talk) 12:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Evenn with sources, it is still an indiscriminate list of non-notable trivia that violates WP:TRIV. We really don't need a list of films and TV episodes that Journey songs have appeared in, so that will be the first casualty of a cull. It is enough to say that their songs have featured in many films and television shows, and offer a few of the more notable examples...but "Wheel in the Sky" was played on a recap segment of the sci-fi show Supernatural." is a completly unnecessary piece of filler that adds nothing but useless bulk to the article. We also don't need pointless information about the bands posters being seen in the background in films, or the fact that a snippet of a song can be heard on a car radio in an episode/film. The gameshows section is being culled right now, it's ridiculously unencyclopedic and non-notable. magnius (talk) 12:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Dave Golland (talk) 16:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, as well. Why is it that almost every wikipedia page on rock bands is littered with references to 'The Simpsons' and 'Family Guy'? Is there someone out there who feels it is their duty to list every time a musician gets mentioned on the 'The Simpsons'? I find it odd that under the listing 'Television' there is no mention of Journey's 1979 performance on the television show 'The Midnight Special', yet here we have both 'The Simpsons' and 'Family Guy' references. This is useless and uninformative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bty86 (talk • contribs) 06:03, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He's played more with Yazawa Eikichi than with Journey(I believe he's still touring with him) and on numerous other bands and artists' records and live. Considering he was a session musician here I don't see why it should redirect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.35.225 (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, which gig is more noteworthy? Anyway, it sounds like you're making the case for his having his own page again. No argument from me.... Dave Golland (talk) 02:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is it just me, or...?

It is interesting that Steve Perry is a naturalized US Citizen of Portuguese lineage and Brazilian birth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Perry_(musician)) though the Journey wiki (ref. #38) devotes a portion of the entry to the race and nationality of their new lead singer and not their first, best one. Much talk about 'racism' and Filipino Arnel Pineda and how he was discovered on YouTube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda), and his Oprah appearance seems to take a skewed view of the facts. It is said that Journey is no longer just an 'American' band - they are a 'World' band. The Journey wiki does not even touch on Perry's origins; why not? But Pineda's origins are clearly mentioned. You have to read about Perry on his wiki entry to discover where he's from, and even then, it's vague as to how he came to the States. For me, it proves we have far to go to get over the fact that America STILL does not fully acknowledge its own native citizens, but serves to define differences between native-born Americans and everyone else. Who cares where Pineda is from? I don't. If others do, why don't they care as much where Perry is from? Though everyone is invited to partake in the American dream, not everyone is defined as an equal, with the only attribute of being able to dream qualifying one to partake. Do you think Neal Schon weighed the nationality attributes of Pineda before 'hiring' him? I'd be curious to know. For an area as multicultural as the San Francisco Bay Area, where Journey is from, where Perry grew up as a teen, where tens of thousands of Filipino Americans live, is it fair to say that a Filipino is more 'American' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_American#Dual_citizenship), than a Brazilian, or any other non-US country that we do not have territorial influence over? If being Filipino is better than being Brazilian, as far as America's opinion goes, Pineda's nationality would naturally be less significant than Perry's, not more. If the question of whether rock music fans are racist is the issue, let's talk about the origins of rock and roll, and squash it quickly.

American is a term, an adjective, to define citizenship and devotion to the flag and freedom and the principals and duty to preserve its existence, not race, not heritage. Whether the members of a band are American or not, to 'define' the band, is really irrelevant, unless they take up a rifle and stand a post to defend the flag. Can they still bring it? No, not without Steve Perry. Will I buy their album? I might. Will I buy their concert ticket? Certainly. That's all that matters, right?

Now, I've been a fan of Journey since I was born and knew the words to their songs in the seventies. I can pull karaoke with the best of them. I am from the SF Bay Area. I am an Iraqi War veteran and a college graduate who studied culture. So I feel I am able to weigh in, here. And if you wonder what my race is, and why this bothers me so much, because I am American, does it matter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.85.246 (talk) 05:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ross Muir's E-book, originally available at FabricationsHQ and now serialized in the Editorials section at The Journey Zone, relates the story of Steve Augeri's lip-syncing period with copious and technical references including band insiders. It is a relevant, documented part of the band's history that should not be whitewashed or covered up. Dave Golland (talk) 14:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At Jethro Tull's wikipedia page we can see a very interesting Member History Timeline, which shows when each member entered and left the band, and when the albums were released - would be interesting seeing this here too! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.51.87 (talk) 12:01, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]