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Currently the template included every thing from 'start' class up, is this sensible of should we restrict it to 'b' class and up, as it is getting very full. --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 17:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By my count there are currently 83 articles in the template, how many would be removed and how many would remain if we changed to a "B-class or better" standard? Bradford44 (talk) 17:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please see:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Martial_arts#MA_nav_boxes --Nate1481(^t/_c) 08:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sambo is listed as grappling in the box, but it includes punching and kicking, so I think it should be listed as a mixed art instead of grappling arts. --RisingSunWiki 23:05, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but the article is big enough, it's not a start anymore.

Yes it has no English references but: 1. It all was referenced and translated. I sat the whole day and made shure every claim has a source, I brought the quote, and translated the quote. 2. The article is to big to be a start.

It's not a FA, not a GA, and not an A. But it's for shure a C. Kostan1 (talk) 13:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment is not the about length of the article but about it's quality, and currently there is not a single source accessible to the majority of readers of editors on the English wikipedia. I there fore agree with Bradford that it is not yet a c-class article. Please look at the definition of the different classes and examples here --Nate1481(^t/_c) 13:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But that means that even theoreticaly that article cant turn into a C-class. Not only that, when Bradford reverted me the article was realy weak. But now all the quotes were brought and translated. Now the claim that the general Englsih speaker cant't check it is not true, for who I translated all for few hours? It's all in English now. Lets hear more voices. If people oposse now, I revert myself. Kostan1 (talk) 13:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

missing:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_Kung_Fu

and

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_Kung_Fu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.151.240.70 (talk) 21:34, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I would like to discussion the inclusion, removal, name, and anything else in relation to these grappling arts and the template in question, the hope of avoiding any form of edit warring. The Scythian 17:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's a fair request, so the following is my opinion on each of those:

• Pahlavani - overall, it's a solid Start-class article, but lacks the depth necessary to be C-class. For example, there is virtually no detail regarding the actual techniques practiced and strategies employed, and the references leave much to be desired, and there are not enough of them. See Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for a good example of a C-Class martial arts article.
• Kurash - It has no references. This is an absolute requirement for C-Class.
• Koshti - First, there is no article at Koshti, it is a redirect. Second, it redirects to Wrestling in Iran, which is clearly a stub. Third, "Wrestling in Iran" is more of a "style" of Wrestling (which is a "type" of martial art, and already in the template), not a "type" of martial art.

Thus, in my opinion, none of these belong in the template, which sets the threshold at C-Class and above, until they have been improved. Bradford44 (talk) 17:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, and I would like to work on the Pahlavani article, and expand on it with sources. So, that will be my next major project. Thanks for the explanation. The Scythian 19:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can't list articles on a navigation box because of quality. I came to this template looking for navigation and I couldn't find things I wanted, this template is to serve for navigation and therefore quality of the article should not be a factor for inclusion. —Borgarde 02:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The criteria were discussed by members of the martial arts project and felt that c-class (i.e. the lowest class that has been generally gone over and problems marked out) was a good line as it meant that the spam articles could be deleted on sight by anyone and anyone wanting to actually improve wikipedia and not just promote their (possibly non-notable) art would likley stick around long enought to get an article to c-class (not a high target). Also all the 'big' names Karate, Takwondo, Boxing, judo, Wrestling, wing chun... that the majority of people have come across are already at that level, there is also the 'List of martial arts which is a comprehansive list of articles (this should possibly be linked). Could you suggest an alternative criteria?--Nate1481 11:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't understand why this major Mixed/Hybrid Martial Art system is not included in the list of world wide hybrid martial art systems.

I am not an exponent of this martial art system so it cannot be suggested that I am biased. It is puzzling why it is not on the list.

Kuk Sool Won is an extensive and one could say complete martial art system.

I am sure most readers would agree it belongs on this list. I have tried to edit the list to add it but it is rejected.

regards,

SL401

Hello, I added Okinawan Kobudo to this list. --RedZiz (talk) 21:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's the differenct from this sport and Judo?--Pierce (talk) 14:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]