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I delete old talk. If you are very curious about it, you can have a look in this old version

Wikipedia:Brilliant prose is sadly neglected and needs your brilliant opinion!

• Go to Wikipedia:Brilliant prose candidates to make, second or contest a nomination.
• Go to Wikipedia:Refreshing brilliant prose - Science and the other linked pages to leave your vote.

Sorry for the delay, but I'm only here Monday-Friday. Just a couple of minor edits. This is a great idea. Where are you going to put it? You can count on me for any help I can give. Bmills 09:20, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Why Wikipedia:Make only links relevant to the context is excellent advice:

• Old edit of War elephant
• Old edit of Richard Neustadt
• Old edit of AIDS conspiracy theories but very close to the actual
• Old edit of Joseph Stalin (1/2)
• Old edit of Joseph Stalin (2/2)

and because de-linking gives more work than adding them

Hello Muriel. 212 speaking. I have been editing the entry for Merton College, Oxford and included a cross reference to a Psalm. Am new to this so don't know yet how to refer to the wikisource. Thx for pointing it out tho'.

Hi. I got your message about typo correction day. Thanks for the support. I was thinking that we would have a typo correction day on the last saturday of every month. Alexandros 22:18, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip about adminship. I appreciate your thoughtfulness. I will wait for someone to nominate me I believe. Best wishes and happy Thanksgiving! Alexandros

Muriel: apologies for being too hot on the deletion trigger. It was only a sentence (and misspelt) but I should have checked first, or left it for someone else. Secretlondon 16:26, Nov 26, 2003 (UTC)

Muriel: I did copy from a site -- my site. this site is a site I own (and plan to shut down at the end of December) and granted myself permission to copy the items I wrote to Wiki. If this is a problem, please let me know. (UTC)
I will note such in the talk pages. davodd 11:36, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

• Thanks - I will pare each to the minimum within the next few minutes. davodd 11:46, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi Muriel. Please can add your user page to the list on Wikipedia:Protected page if you intend to leave it protected. There is a section especially for sysop pages as otherwise there is no way of knowing whether the protection was just accidental or meant to be temporary etc and it will probably be unprotected. Thanks. Angela 15:36, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for unprotecting your user page. :) Martin 11:22, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I've been having trouble with my computer, and images do not come up in my Explorer browser. So when I saw the article, to me, all it said was Caecilius Metellus's family tree. That is why I deleted it. Please accept my apology.

I have since been able to see the amazing image that you created for that page. It is really quite beautiful work. Kingturtle 19:41, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi Muriel, I didn't know if you'd seen these replies to your question on the village pump so I moved them as it was time to clean the page. Angela 21:27, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I should probably know this, but... What do we do when we stumble on an article which has a borderline copyvio? Meaning that some sentences are copied, others not. Is the whole article going to the copyvio page? I'm tempted. Cheers, Muriel Victoria 09:12, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Even if you're unsure, it is better to be vigilant and list it on the suspected copyviolations page. Then you can get other people's help in analysing whether or not it constitutes a copyvio. I think (IANAL of course) that using other people's copyrighted material is unlawful, unless it is clearly quoted as belonging to the originator. --snoyes 16:22, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)

OK, I had a quick look at the article. Given that the original (long) version comes from a respected, longtime wikipedian a better approach would be to address the concerns on that users talk page. Or the article talk page. --snoyes 16:30, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi Muriel,

I read your comment on Wikipedia talk:Make only links relevant to the context with great interest because it is an issue which I have been interested in and ocassionally raised, to little effect. I find pages with too many links horrible looking but so often people insist of having them all, despite what seem to me to be eminently sensible guidelines posted on the above page. Sometimes it seems like insisting on common sense here is a losing battle... Anyway, I thought war elephant was a great article. Cheers! -- Viajero 21:50, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your note! Here is one for your collection:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Richard_Neustadt&oldid=1663869

It got a bit better as the text was filled out, but at one point it was even worse, with born and died linked. que horror -- Viajero 14:21, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi Muriel

I think your links for voting on the Wikipedia:brilliant prose page are not working properly. Can you have a look? Bmills 14:19, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

• working on it...

Thanks Bmills 14:34, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

People and culture and Other both seem to link to Science? Bmills 14:39, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Starting from Wikipedia:Village pump, if I click the People and culture or the Others link, I go to the Science voting page. Science and History both work fine. By the way, just read your Adoption in Rome and enjoyed it very much. Bmills 14:48, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi Muriel -- you've messed up the "People and Culture" part of the brilliant prose refresher. Thats just the same as "science"

Made some copy edits to Cato the younger. Hope they are OK? Bmills 15:25, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

May well need a bit of polishing, but these two articles were extremely well constructed and interesting. I'm always finding copy edits in the few articles I started. The main thing, it seems to me, is that an article should be well structured and logical, which Cato the younger and Adoption in Rome] both are. All too often, I have read articles on Wikipedia with little or no logical structure at all. Bmills 15:40, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Actually, it is the stories of dead people when they were alive that I like. Are you a Wikipedia Administrator? My comment is not a "conflict with someone else", it is about what Wikipedia wants to see in the articles created. Note, I said I do not want a conflict with this person. Thanks. Angelique 16:10, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks again, I would rather just avoid someone like User:Mathieugp. I was born in France and note your interest in the monarchs. Your Kings of France family tree doesn’t seem to match the List of French monarchs, neither of which appears to match History of France? In school and university (USA), I was taught that the Kings of France began with the Merovingians? Angelique 16:20, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I spent some time looking things up and reading articles before I made my first "dead people" contribution. The high quality and effort (whether all are factual or not, I can't be sure) really impressed me plus, the minor events and characters were fascinating to learn about. I get addicted to the links! Angelique 16:38, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Muriel Please stop deleting articles until you have read and understood the guidlines on deletion. We do not delete articles unless a rough consensus (not a majority) is formed. An 8 votes to 6 for deletion is not a consensus. Captain Submarine Frank and Gino's will have to be put on votes for undeletion now. theresa knott 09:47, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting it out so quickly. As for my diagrams, I do intend getting a decent drawing program fairly soon, I'm looking for an open source one if possible. I suspect though better tools will speed up rather than substantially improve my diagrams though theresa knott 10:01, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Re. Main page, go ahead! I do it once in awhile and no one complains. -- Viajero 14:24, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Muriel, a new user has rewritten List of Roman Emperors -- only to harm that article, I fear. I reverted his changes. please compare the differences & express your opinion in the Talk forum. -- llywrch 03:42, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Dear Sterlingda, i just read it and placed in your talk page. I removed it from here because its too big but i read it! Hope you excuse me. Muriel Victoria 10:27, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I meant what tool did you use to paint the colours ? Photoshop ? Jay 10:39, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Corel! I edited the original family tree .cdr file which, by the way, is in my PC... I'll put a decent one tomorrow. Dont worry, i'm not a vandal... Muriel Victoria 10:46, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Muriel, I didn't realize you purposely posted that message on his User page rather than the Talk page. I thought you were mistaken like me. Sorry for the confusion!...

Hi Muriel! How do you make those family trees? After looking at the ones you made, I want to make some for the Byzantine families, and even some Crusader families, and probably ever dynasty I've ever come across here :) Adam Bishop 22:52, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Muriel! Thanks for your welcoming message! Have you seen my Olavo Bilac article? Do you tink it´s brilliant prose? User:Doidimais Brasil 12:00 AM, 7 Dec 2003

Hi! What do you think of Holy Avenger? Thanks, Doidimais Brasil 01:24, Dec 14, 2003 (UTC)

I'd love to make a proper graphical Tudor family tree, I agree that it couldbe made clearer than what I currently have. Point me at the software you use. If it's a case of drawing it all by hand, though, count me out, because I don't think I have the patience. Onebyone 16:16, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Yes, I'd call Corel Draw doing it by hand - I'm not good with graphics. The information there is mostly taken from a single source (Elizabeth the Queen, Alison Weir, ISBN 0 224 04414 1), and isn't entirely complete because it only lists children who survived infancy. Before you go ahead and convert to a graphical version, though, there is one advantage of the way I've done it, which is that my way the family tree can link to the individual articles. Any thoughts on that? Onebyone 16:24, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

How about the following:

If you find time, you create a graphical Tudor family tree. Having done so, you put it in a new article Tudor family tree or House of Tudor family tree, which is linked to from Tudor dynasty. The text version stays where it is, with a link from the new article that says something like "for a text version with links to individual articles, see Tudor dynasty#Tudor Family Tree".

This means I've invented a standard, which others will follow if it's any good, that graphical family trees belong in articles called "X family tree", like the ones you've done already, and that text versions (if they exist) with links can live in whatever article seems appropriate and be referenced from the "X family tree". That way, anyone at that article thinking "I wish this thing had links on it." is sorted.

Finally, it might be possible to turn your images into clickable image maps - I'd have to look up the details, but I think all modern browsers support it. It's still not perfect, though, because we might find we have to specify proper URLs rather than Wiki links. Onebyone 16:54, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi Muriel- my understanding is that it isn't good form for a sysop to edit a protected page whilst there is an edit dispute going on, especially if it is the person who actually protected the page doing the edit (I refer to putting the disclaimer back on the Alternative medicine page). It probably wasn't a good call to protect the page yourself either, as you were involved in the dispute. It's better to get another sysop who wasn't involved to do this as sysops need to be seen to be above bias when it comes to protecting pages. Hope you don't think I'm having a go as i do sympathise with what you did, but I made the same mistake myself once and just wanted to pass that on, cheers quercus robur 21:08, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Macedonia is not identical to Republic of Macedonia or fyrom!! And (Music of Macedonia is not identical to (Music of the Republic of Macedonia !! O K ?? --- Vergina 22:07, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

• OK VERGINA!!!!

I was reading over the Wikipedia:Conflicts between users page, and I noticed that you had edited some of Mr-Natural-Health's comments. Is this standard policy? If it is, I don't think its a good one. Whatever he said (I assume it was awful, he doesn't strike me as a charmer) I think it is useful to have it available to those who are making decisions regarding him,. I know its available in the page history (I looked it up even) and I also know it isn't nice, but I think it is useful info on what kinda fellow Mr-Natural-Health is. JackLynch 00:29, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

What did you mean by "actually I'm not."? I read everything over, and I couldn't see how that fit in. JackLynch 08:38, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Muriel, Your Elephant pic is a bit too large at 512 pixels wide. It causes a very narrow column of text on low res screens (like 800 by 600). I stick to 300 pixels wide mostly so that's what I've done with yours. If you have any objections, just revert. Interesting pic, by the way.
Adrian Pingstone 14:46, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Two minor points I hadn't noticed when I wrote the above. First, we don't use borders because they cause problems in certain browsers (there was a discussion on this months ago but I don't know where).

Secondly, the caption should begin with a capital letter.

I've corrected both of these. Hope you don't mind my interference!

Adrian Pingstone 14:54, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi Muriel, the Roman emperors discussion was surprising, I thought it might turn ugly too...I think it is because the empire doesn't exist anymore, so no one has a personal stake in it :) I'm trying to start over with everyone on the Quebec articles, so I hope everyone will be able to work together on those as well. Adam Bishop 17:00, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi Muriel,

My apologies for including your comment on the VfD page. Note that the way I posted it there was to note that it was a comment posted to my talk page. I did not explicitely call it a vote for the page. I wanted to let other users see that positive comments had been made about the project.

By the way, here is something I just published today on my Free Energy updates website -- I cite it as a sample of my objective reporting skills on the subject: Genesis World Energy Under Investigation for Fraud - NJ Attorney General's office engaged in full investigation into likely securities fraud. Eyewitnesses say one of the bench-top model used by GWE for proof of concept demos is nothing more than a slight modification of a fuel cell device sold at Hammacher Schlemmer.

Have a great day.

Sterlingda 07:27, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

History -- Military history -- List of battles - of course they are negotiatable. But since none wants to negotiate - at wikiproject battles etc -, and since they are since i create initial list of battles, i started to insert them massively szopen

Well first version 9:54 14 January 2002. But i then left in March or so wikipedia for almost a year. mostly because of constant edit wars - there was no protection mechanism then. So "created" is of course true, but i hope it does not imply much more besides what i did... which can be checked in page history if you choose 500 entries intead of default view. szopen

Hi

I've tried to clean up the Wikipedia:Brilliant prose candidates page today, but there are a few articles there more than one week that I am involved with (wrote, nominated or seconded). It's better than it was. Hope you get more comments on your voting procedure. Bmills 16:19, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Yep, it really is my real name. It would be more impressive if more people could spell it correctly :) If you don't mind, I added your quote to my homepage: [1] -- Finlay McWalter 18:24, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)