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		Lucy-marie, Your tireless contributions, removal of vandalism and keeping a NPOV at all times improve the sense of community and enhance the helpfulness of wikipedia. I hereby grant you this barnstar in recognition of your dedication and hard work Fethroesforia 03:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I think it would a good idea if you were to avoid this discussion for a while. Although you have raised some valid points (e.g. why should someone who isn't a UK railway enthusiast know what a chain is?), users like SouthernElectric and Olana North don't seem to want to listen, purely on the grounds that it's you that's raising them. So we just end up with a lot of arguing and going round in circles, rather than making any progress.

Incidentally, I don't think it's true to say that the UK is a purely metric country, but on the other hand it's not a purely imperial (measurements) country either! Regards, --RFBailey (talk) 15:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My opinion on the metrication of distances in UK transport articles would be the same if Lord Lucan was to reappear and raise the issue. SouthernElectric (talk) 15:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, the UK is specifically and explicitly not a metric country. — iridescent 23:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It shows the uk is not exculisvly metric but the weights and measures act requires the sale of certian goods in ml and kg.--Lucy-marie (talk) 00:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevant in this case, as we're not talking about the sale of goods; the important point here is the part alluded to by Ian Pearson near the end, in that miles are still considered a standard unit of measurement in the UK. (Personally, I'm not a fan of chains, which I consider unnecessarily confusing, and would convert them into miles-and-feet in these situations - but that is my personal opinion and I know I'm outnumbered. (I'm not stalking you by posting here, incidentally; just that I have no intention of joining in the group-kicking you seem to be getting on WP:UKT right now.) — iridescent 00:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would personally like action taken but I believe it would be futile. I find it amazing SouthernElectric returned the exact same day that I rasied this issue again. I do not say the miles ect should not be used, I just say that metric equivilancies should be included aswell.--Lucy-marie (talk) 00:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is that a crime Lucy-marie, I thought that was what the "watch (this page)" function was for?! SouthernElectric (talk) 00:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please calm down. All I said was you cliamed to have left wikipedia, but returned exactly the same day I initiated this discussion. Two reasons are for this either you didn't leave wikipedia or it was coincdence.--Lucy-marie (talk) 10:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, you won the argument!! User:SouthernElectric has decided to leave Wikipedia after being blocked for edit-waring. Yor ability to win argument and defeat everyone else is quite impressive. We lost a useful and positive contributor ... but what does that matter? After all, nobody remembers who came second. Olana North (talk) 14:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody wins or loses. The actions taken by individual users while discuss edits, is their own choice. If their way of editing contravenes the rules and guidlines to the point where they get blocked, that is the judgement of appropriate administrators. I would also like to point out that SoutherElectric was blocked for edit-waring on a completly dirent topic altogether.--Lucy-marie (talk) 14:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that SouthernElectric wasn't banned, he was blocked. See WP:BAN and WP:BLOCK for clarification. --RFBailey (talk) 15:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I don't know how you are getting on with the merge between Assistant referee, Fourth official and Fifth official, but please note that there should be capitalisation of the word "Association" when constructing new article title - as in Assistant officials (Association football). Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 01:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Current convention says association is with a small a. This can be seen in Kit (association football) and Formation (association football). If you disagree with this, please raise this issue at the appropriate discussion on the association football wikiproject.--Lucy-marie (talk) 11:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As a case is currently occurring at the Arbitration Commitee, i have placed the current MedCabal case on hold to prevent conflict occurring between any consensus that occurs at MedCab and any decisions that are made at ArbCom. I recommend you watch the outcomes and discussions that occur at ArbCom as you could be affected by them.

If you do do not want me as a mediator and wish for someone else to mediate after the ArbCom case is over then feel free to place a request on the MedCab talk page and then notify me so that i can see if your points are valid enough for me to recuse myself. I hope that this case will be dealt with soon. Seddon69 (talk) 16:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Lucy-marie. I have returned the '(soccer)' to the end of the association football entry on the Forward disambiguation page to present a more globally inclusive view. The term 'association football' is virtually unknown in the United States, so 'soccer' should be there, also.

I have started a discussion on this topic at Talk:Forward and would encourage you to comment. -Gwguffey (talk) 03:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for engaging in discussion on Talk:Forward. At this point, I am withdrawing myself from this topic barring additional thoughts or viewpoints being presented. Should you choose to remove the word soccer from the entry, I will not revert it. Should another editor decide to add it in the future, though, I will not remove it either. Best wishes. -Gwguffey (talk) 15:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your recent request to WP:RM to perform the above move - images cannot be moved in this fashion. From WP:RM:

Images: To rename an image, upload the image again, but with the name you want. Then change the relevant links to reflect the new name and list the old image at images and media for deletion.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask. JPG-GR (talk) 22:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy, recently you reversed a change I made to 2 characters pages, reversing me re-adding the statuses of characters. You claim that statuses are "no longer used", but I feel that it can add valuable information about the character, and it does not hurt for it to be there. Who decided that statuses are no longer to be used? This is a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, I don't see why it was necessary for you to remove my edit. Steve Crossin (talk) 03:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the comment you posted on my page, you mentioned that there has been a "previous agreement" on the removal of statuses? I'm not here to fight with anyone, I'd just like to know when this was decided.

Also, I'm working on the Minor Characters page. Can an admin please make the edit to the Noah Daniels redirection page, I'm trying to make all the disambiguation pages redirect to their proper sections.

And finally, can we please put a hold on merging all these characters into one big article? I actually put a tag on the page, it is way too long, unorganised, and desperately needs a cleanup. Can you at least wait until this page is cleaned up? Thank you Steve Crossin (talk) 13:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The quality of any page has absolutly no bearing on what happens to anotehr page. Mergers will go ahead unless real-world notability for the individual pages can be established by the end of February. or another date decided by mediation.--Lucy-marie (talk) 23:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most of these mergers, from what I have seen, have had little or no consensus in favour of merging, and as quite a few of these mergers are under review by the Arbitration Committee, it would not be in good faith to merge them before an outcome is decided by them.

And in regards to the organisation of the Minor Characters in 24 page, it needs reorganisation, and quickly. Is it really too much to ask to wait until the page can be reorganised, or do you insist on creating one massive, unreadable article? Steve Crossin (talk) 01:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy, just in case you didn't know or weren't aware of it, I'd like to direct your attention to this:

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2#Temporary injunction. 1) For the duration of this case, no editor shall redirect or delete any currently existing article regarding a television series episode or character; nor un-redirect or un-delete any currently redirected or deleted article on such a topic, nor apply or remove a tag related to notability to such an article. Administrators are authorized to revert such changes on sight, and to block any editors that persist in making them after being warned of this injunction.”

It doesn't look like any mergers will be taking place for the time being regardless of the Cabal case. Angelriver (talk) 20:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

That has a small relation to this case. The fact that policies and guidleines are still being breeched is not being addressed by this pointless procrastinating.--Lucy-marie (talk) 20:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do you figure that what I quoted has only a small relation to the case? It clearly states that no editor shall redirect or delete any currently existing article regarding a television series episode or character. That includes ALL television shows--even 24. It seems pretty straightforward to me. Angelriver (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-Definetly agreed, its right there, in black and white. NO mergers are to take place regarding TV shows/episodes for the duration of this case. It is NOT acting in good faith to continue to do so. Steve Crossin (talk) 21:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can the fighting just please stop? I asked an administrator about this, as I've been improving the Minor Characters in 24 page, and I've made some suggestions, and some edits. I was told this:

1. In fact someone linked me this decision a few minutes after our conversation (the 2 events are of course unrelated ;)). That means that we are asked not do delete (and probably merge) any article based on Episodes or Fictional Characters for the time being. This is of course temporary (there is an investigation going on on the behavior of some editors). Split should be okay if you keep everything. Note that oversplitting articles is often a bad idea. But being bold and trying never hurts. -- lucasbfr talk 15:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Considering this is an arbcom restriction, the editor not following it faces a block (if he's aware of the restriction, of course). I guess that'll keep people away. -- lucasbfr talk 16:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I can't find where Lucy is requesting the merge of these articles but if she performs it, simply revert her change and point her to the arbcom case. -- lucasbfr talk 16:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

yup don't hesitate to update the tag if necessary. Good luck on the referencing! -- lucasbfr talk 17:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cro0016"

And furthermore, if this merging madness does not stop, I will request the pages be protected from moving/deleting/merging. This case is under review by the Arbitration Committee, merging these articles while under review is NOT in accordance with WP:AGF. It is not acting in good faith to merge when there is no consensus, or when it is being reviewed by a committee, and furthermore, an injunction HAS been made, and failure to comply with it is a breach of Wiki Policy. Steve Crossin (talk) 21:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The point that no work is being under taken on the pages is being missed and the articles are still voilating policies. The language used in steve's final paragraph is incredibly suspicious, and similar to user:MiB-24 the phrase "merging madness" and the immediacy to jump all over this issue and tagret me is also suspicious. I have left the articles alone to allow for work to take place on the, all that has taken place is Lan Di added under construction tags and nothing actually being done to most of the articles.--Lucy-marie (talk) 22:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You cite that the articles are "violating policies" without mentioning any policies in specific. And you completely disregard WP:AGF. How are you acting in good faith? Read the injunction that the Arbitration Committee issued. Disregarding a decision by them is a gross disregard of the Wiki Policy on Injunctions, and I quote-

[edit] Injunctions

At any time between the opening of a case and its closure, Arbitrators may propose Temporary Injunctions, which are binding decisions that shall be in effect until a case closes. Such Injunctions take the form of Remedies outlined below and are enforceable by blocks of appropriate length (usually no more than 24 hours for a first offense) against parties violating the Injunction.

An Injunction is considered to have passed when four or more Arbitrators have voted in favour of it, where a vote in opposition negates a vote in support. A grace period of twenty four hours is usually observed between the fourth Aye vote and the enactment of the Injunction; however, Arbitrators may, in exceptional circumstances, vote to implement an injunction immediately if four or more Arbitrators express a desire to do so in their votes, or if a majority of Arbitrators active on the case have already voted to support the Injunction.

So disregarding their decision is not in accordance with this, and if it persists, I will have to bring this up with an administrator. Steve Crossin (talk) 22:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have made no comments on their decisions at all. The policies and guidleines being voilated are clearly spelled out on the mediation casefor the articles.--Lucy-marie (talk) 22:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would you be kind enough to show me exactly where the "policies and guidelines" are being violated, and where all this is "pointed out". Please clearly back up your statements with evidence, and clear links to what you are claiming/stating Steve Crossin (talk) 22:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All that needs to be done is read the first section of SH10 of the mediation case and even a simple scan reading of any of the artile pages within the mediation.--Lucy-marie (talk) 22:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please just put your argument here, paste in either a link to the section you are referencing, and give an explanation as to specifically what policies these articles are in violation of. And officially, citing WP:FICT as a policy is not appropriate. It is a notability guideline, not an official policy. Steve Crossin (talk) 22:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy, I think you may be overreacting here. Every time a new editor takes an interest in the "24" articles, you accuse them of being someone's sock puppet. You did the same thing to me accusing me of being Tuna's sock. Sometimes Lucy, new people take an interest and join in discussing and editing the articles. There's really nothing sinister about it. Angelriver (talk) 22:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, there...again. MOS:DAB#Individual entries specifies that there should only be one navigable link per entry. Just wanted to be clear that I changed it to adhere to the MOS and not out of pettiness or to be difficult with you. I would have made this change regardless of who put it in.

P.S. I wasn't sure whether to leave 'association' or 'asociation' in there unlinked. I chose the double 's'. If you prefer the single 's', change. it. Gwguffey (talk) 02:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]