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		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Lucy-marie, Your tireless contributions, removal of vandalism and keeping a NPOV at all times improve the sense of community and enhance the helpfulness of wikipedia. I hereby grant you this barnstar in recognition of your dedication and hard work Fethroesforia 03:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy-marie,

I recently complicated a brief list of articles to be merged and their status on the project page. I've left a note at WikiProject Crime for other editors to vote on the matter. Also I've done some cleaning up on the Wanted and Expand Articles sections, specifically regarding unreferenced articles. MadMax 20:53, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! I see you have been in some contentions debates on the article on the BNP. Might I reccomend remaining COOL in these situations as it will help things flow alot smoother. I have been following this for a little while and if the parties invovled cant start playing nice together, I will protect the article until you do! Hope all is going well for you otherwise. Thanks, -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have reported you to WP:AN/3RR for breaking the three revert rule. Thank you. One Night In Hackney 20:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it is regarding the G8 template, you hvae only reverted 3 times. If you do it again, I will block you for violating the WP:3RR. Same goes for the other reverting party who is currently at 3 reverts as well. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They may be, but re-reverting it right now would be a bad idea. I am here to help other editors but also uphold policy. I get no joy from blocking any editors. Feel free to discuss it on the talk page, if there is already a discussion that you believe has acieved consensus and the edits are against it, point me towards the discussion and I will attempt to determine what the consensus is. Hope this helps, thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just found your edits at the article on G8. I need your ssurance that you will not rever the G8 article of the {{G8}} template until this matter is resolved. It would be much easier if you were willing to cooperate. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I won't revert again. Just tell Hackney not revert a concensus. --Lucy-marie 21:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its ok, calm down! I am working it out. Do you have any sources that show that the EU is not part of the G8? This to me appears a possible issue of facts. I have asked Hackney to provide me sources showing that the EU is technically part of the G8. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The facts that it has never and cannot chair meetings and individual members of the EU are members of the G8. If the EU was a member the individual states would not need representation. Also i Have never found any statment regarding EU inclusion and the maintext says it is merly represented.--Lucy-marie 21:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is what i was tended to believe. I however need to here from Hackney before i get too much involved. i want to hear both sides and understand where both sides are coming from. Thanks for the explanation. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An aside I have had the page protected to stop revertions.--Lucy-marie 21:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Or more accurately to protect the page on your preferred version, like you have done before. One Night In Hackney 21:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No it is to stop all edit waring on the page. I view that statement as a personal attack.--Lucy-marie 21:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy-marie,

I've just merged another two articles, however I was wondering which article should be merged to which regarding the murderer and victim (ex. Michael Hamer/Joe Geeling ? I'm assuming it should go under the victim (or as the Joe Geeling murder) unless comitted by a serial killer, mass murderer, assassin, etc. ? MadMax 10:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I've merged the remaining articles with the exception of two as I assume there is still some discussion going on. MadMax 03:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The cool wall lost does not have to be on their website to be their intellectual property. The list is broadcast by the BBC and is the BBC's intellectual property, we cannot reproduce it in whole or in large part without violating copyright, unless an officer of the BBC is prepared to release the contents under GFDL. It would be OK to list a small subset, but not large numbers. Guy (Help!) 21:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Lucy-marie, when content is removed by an admin citing copyright, and the admin makes a comment on Talk, it's wise not to keep reverting. OK? Guy (Help!) 21:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Adding comment here rather than Guy's talk page as it's relevant to this page.) Please also see my comment on Talk:The Cool Wall. Guy your comments to Lucy-marie seem a bit 'heavy-handed'. Without a rationale for the copyvio assertion, I think the average Wikipedian would revert your changes (I certainly would). There sems to be an implicit threat in your words above, which is not really warranted. There's no evidence of bad faith here. DrFrench 21:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vote Keep on the delete nomination discussions on Jessica Lindgren , XXL (band) and Friends (group),if you feel like it i want to add.;) Thanks.----Matrix17 17:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As i sayed its up to you. Why should i vote against JCG?--Matrix17 17:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy-marie,

I've been trying to merge the remaining articles on the open tasks list using the title "Murder of" as a compromise, however User:Ryulong is against merging them on the basis of their biographical articles and has reverted all the mergers. You might want to discuss the issue with him. MadMax 04:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• If you do see any issues with the recent mergers, please feel free to let me know and I can certainly revert them. I do think it was an honest mistake by Ryulong, however. The double edged sword of being bold on my part. ;) MadMax 21:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lucy-marie, I didn't actually add anything to the TG page. I just reverted the change made by User:Shas'o sodit where he removed a word. I only reverted it once - back to how it was before. I happned to think that the sentence flowed better with that word, but I'm not going to make an issue out of it. Cheers! DrFrench 19:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might be interested in Stefan Kiszko, strikes me this could be changed to incorporate recent developments [1] into something like The Lesley Molseed murder? SqueakBox 16:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I've just reviewed a section on the above article as Wright is due back in court on 1 May. I have to agree with one of your edits, a while back, stating that there was some frivolous information in the court appearances section. But I disgaree with the last part refering to the name of the judge, and the reference to Belmarsh prison - I wrote this and attributed to the PA wire service which I access. So I've re-inserted part of it... as any court reporter will tell you, the name of the judge and the prison are important and not frivolous facts. Best wishes. Escaper7 15:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop creating redirect pages to Bill Gates on the mainspace pages associated with talk archives such as Talk:Bill Gates/Archive 1. Unlike most talk pages, talk archives do not need an associated article. I've deleted both of your redirects under WP:CSD#R3 (implausible typo). Walton ^{Need some help?} 19:08, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, it's not important. Maybe I got you confused with someone else. Walton ^{Need some help?} 16:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy-marie,

I thought you might be interested to know about the recent cfd/reaming discussion relating to Category:Gangs by ethnicity as well as all ethnic and historically related street gang categorires which includes Historical gangs of London (a subcategory of Historical criminals of London) and I assume with effect naming conventions of general crime related categories to eliminate ethnicity from crime related categories.

Also, a related discussion on changing Jewish-American organized crime to a "less offensive and accusatory" title will also effect article naming conventions for similar organized crime related articles such as Talk:African-American organized crime and Talk:Greek-American organized crime and I assumed related British articles as well.

By the way, I finished the last of the articles to be merged. If there's any I've missed, please let me know. Also, I've been talking to User:Wooyi about a possible "collaberation of the week" between the various crime related WikiProject and I was wondering f that would be of interest to WikiProject: British crime ? MadMax 23:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I noticed that the categories of the articles you have merged (i.e. Sarah Payne to Murder of Sarah Payne et all) no longer make sense as they refer to people not events. I've tried to make some sense of them by cutting those in the article and replacing them with ones pertaining to the event itslef. However, because the categories are a good way of finding the article in question I've kept them by moving them to the redirects for the victim and murderer. This way the categories perform in the correct manner, look right in the article and the name in the category is correct. Its the same procedure as used for siblings who share articles (see Wright brothers). Since you seem to be behind the moves (which I think are a good idea by the way), I thought I should bring this to you and you could pass it on to the relevant places if need be (I'm not very experienced at editing crime articles). If I have made a mistake and these edits are incorrect or inappropriate then by all means let me know and I'll revert them myself. --Jackyd101 00:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy-marie,

I've been talking to User:Wooyi regarding a Wikipedia crime related newsletter as a collaberation of the various crime related WikiProjects and I was wondering weither this might be a good idea for WP:BRITCRIME ? MadMax 05:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

		The Original Barnstar
		In recognition of your many useful edits to Wikipedia, I award you this barnstar. Keep up the good work. Lradrama 11:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I found this over at User talk:Lucie-marie (and have now deleted it) but it must have been meant for you:

On August 6, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Amanda Dowler, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 12:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-- ALoan (Talk) 15:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it is not a topic that I know very much about. So much nastiness in the world (cf. Madeleine McCann). Sigh. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your call. If those are the rules, then that's not for me to take issue with. However, I think it's slightly unnerving referring to children/minors by their surnames. Most murdered people under the age of 18 are referred to by their first names only. Is James Bulger referred to by his surname (he was only three) or any of the Moors Murderers' victims? Lesley was 17 - not regarded in UK law in 1975 as an adult. Also, referring to any crime victim by more than a mere surname affords them respect and dignity, setting them apart from the perpetrator. I have no powers or rights to bang on about this, but I'd ask that you consider this viewpoint if a review of Wikipedia policy is mooted soon. Fond regards... Bentley Banana 17:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The POV argument is valid but I think it is in danger of being overblown and used for its own sake. If I were Lesley Whittle's brother and saw the article on his sister's killer which put her on the same level as the man who killed her I'd be taken aback, at the very least. I also think it doesn't pay to get too precious about this. The point about rules is that they can be changed or tweaked if they are seen to be not working or have room for improvement. It does Wikipedia no favours to come across as a site run by cold automatons. Bentley Banana 07:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, your comments seem to have missed both my point and my context, but I'm not especially inclined to continue this debate. The Neilson article is one on which I did the initial expansion work quite some time ago, and barring the POV issue over names, I'm more than happy with it. We'll agree to differ, but I have other things to occupy my time. Thanks. Bentley Banana 03:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Lucy-marie,

I replaced the generic image with a public domain image of the Old Bailey. I apologize, I hadn't realized the Krays image coundn't be used in a template. Unfortunatly, Wooyi's taken a leave of ansence from Wikipedia and as WP Australian crime hasn't responded yet, I'm unsure of the status of the planned newsletter. MadMax 03:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy-marie,

I've just finished a rough draft for the first issue of the Crime Newsletter. I was only able to find one specific article, the peer review for John Martin Scripps, which related to British crime although I'd certainly appreciate your opinion if you'd like to look it over. Ideally, this would be written by numerous editors from each project and I only have the project talk pages to go by. MadMax 07:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for uploading Image:Leanne_Tiernan.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, then you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged.

As well as adding the source, please add a proper copyright licensing tag if the file doesn't have one already. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Wikipedia:Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 16:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 16:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copies of this message are being sent to: User: Adambro, User:Fethroesforia, User:Lucy-marie, User:Marcus22, User:One Night In Hackney, User:Robdurbar, User:VoluntarySlave, User:WGee

I am writing to you because over the last few months you have all played a significant part in editing and debating the article BNP. Even though we have not always all seen eye-to-eye, it is the case that all of you have shown an interest in producing an article that is accurate and representative of the subject within WIkipedia policies. The purpose of this message is to alert you to a potential threat to the article and to ask for your help in keeping a watchful eye on it over the next few weeks. I am going to be away from home with only occasional access to a slow dial-up connection.

On 1 June, I added to the BNP infobox the descriptor 'fascist', with appropriate references (as had been discussed a few weeks back - see archive discussion). I was happy for anyone to question this in the usual way and, indeed, had other references available if necessary. Almost coincidentally, an anonymous editor User:86.146.242.233, began making a series of edits without justification. On the talk page, he referred to previous editors (i.e. you) as "the many militant liberals and communists" and indicated that he was "also going to be going through the whole article because I notice most of it is either liberals or nationalists posting their points of views". I asked him to identify his position and was told "You're fucked up, leave the god damn article alone" and he told me to "stop trolling the BNP article". He also made inappropriate comments on the user pages of other editors to the BNP article and, for no reason I can fathom, did this to the user page of a 14 year old: [[2]].

User talk:86.146.242.233 shows he received several warnings and was eventually banned from editing (having only recently, it seems, been released from an earlier ban). This might have been the end of the matter, but the following day a new editor appeared with the name User:Evianmineralwater and proceeded to make identical edits to BNP and some related articles. I reported my suspicions that 86.146.242.233 and Evian were identical to adminUser:Anthony.bradbury who agreed it seemed to be the same person but told me had been banned again. In fact, he was banned for using a trade name and returned almost immediately as User: Mineralwaterisgreat. (I had misunderstood what the admin had told me and assumed he had been banned for vandalism and so reverted his edits on that basis, earning a rebuke from another admin for my mistake.)

Mineral has made the following statements, among others.

Wikipedia is "corrupt piece of shit populated with idiots". Rebuked by an admin, he replied, "Wikipedia IS corrupt AND populated by idiots."

On the references I had provided: "I'm not reading the references because they are obviously left wing and I'm not buying a god damn book."

About me: "This guy wants to keep adding fascism to describe the BNP when it has been refused on both the disambiguation page and the main page. Isn't it clear to see he's just a troll without the best interests of the article in mind?" (I'm not sure what he means by being refused.)

Elsewhere, he has said he is a BNP member and that he intends to edit the article to remove anything he regards as anti-BNP bias.

Now I can deal with personal attacks or ignore them as the mood takes me, but this user is clearly setting out with a POV agenda that we have, I believe, worked hard to keep out of the article. (And, yes, it has sometimes been heated but I still think we have done a good job between us.) I am even happy to debate with BNP members and supporters if they use rational arguments and respect the views of others. (An honourable mention here to Fethroesforia.) I would hate to see the good work we have done go to waste, so I ask that you keep an eye on the article and ensure that edits are made in the correct wikipedian spirit, backed up with sources as appropriate and discussed in the talk page where necessary. It is highly likely that this person could reappear under other names.

(Incidentally, it is ironic that this person has chosen to attack me so vehemently given that, apart from regularly removing the BNP ARE WANKERS type of vandalism and correcting references, the only edit I can recall ever having made to the actual article is to add 'fascism' to the infobox.) Sorry to go on, and I know you are all busy with other projects. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Emeraude 10:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lucy-marie

Thank you for your contributions to the above article. I was uncertain regarding the correctness of changing the sentence: His bail was cancelled on June 6, 2007 and he faced no further action in connection with the inquiry. to Bail was cancelled on June 6 for the first suspect , as no more inquiries involving the case were to be undertaken involving the first suspect.

Is this suspect involved in other inquiries? Was bail only cancelled because the inquiry lacked sufficient questions? Actually, he was released from bail because he will not be on trial.

Have fun → friedfish 21:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I guess this is in relation to "tariff" meaning "minimum sentence" in England and Wales. My "Shorter OED" identifies this a "Late 2oth century." For the rest of the English speakers, it is a helpful thing to add the "minimum sentence" disambiguating term. I suppose it comes from the notion of having a little card to look up, for various things, the cost. Edison 01:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I advised you to "drop it" because making a public issue of BLP deletions is not going to produce the changes you want to see. I agree that BLP has been taken to extremes in the past, and has been abused by individuals wishing to promote an agenda without community approval. However, it is impossible to be sure of another user's motives in any particular case, so I'm willing to assume, or at least hope, that One Night in Hackney had the best interests of Wikipedia in mind.

This is one of the most sensitive issues on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not censored from pornography, but experience has taught that we must censor ourselves when the reputation of other living people hangs on our words. However, Wikitruth has criticized this form of censorship, and it maintains copies of articles that Wikipedia has deleted for BLP. Also, BLP is one of the main issues being discussed at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Badlydrawnjeff, one of the nastier disputes I have seen in a long time. So unless you are willing to do battle with giants, you may be better off accepting the fact that Wikipedia has problems. YechielMan 13:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What on earth has happened to the Donald Neilson page? Bentley Banana

And what does BLP mean? And why has this editing decision been taken? Bentley Banana 09:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have adjusted the date in the driver results tables template - I think when the "2007" was added, there had been talk of Friday testing being stopped altogether. Since it is continuing, albeit at a much reduced level, the "2007" part is misleading. The concensus was to have the date present though - Friday testing did not exist for 53 years, so is mostly irrelevant throughout the hundreds of tables - it is just to clarify the designation of the "TD" label. The feel of the template is irrelevant, it's there to inform, not to look good. Bretonbanquet 19:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]