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:I’m pretty sure AnCap is just a non-authoritarian far right philosophy and your definition is incorrect. [[User:Dronebogus|Dronebogus]] ([[User talk:Dronebogus|talk]]) 08:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC) |
:I’m pretty sure AnCap is just a non-authoritarian far right philosophy and your definition is incorrect. [[User:Dronebogus|Dronebogus]] ([[User talk:Dronebogus|talk]]) 08:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC) |
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:Source for the claim he is an anarchist? [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 10:35, 7 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia Is Trash == |
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You people are trash. Deadset trash. You're own founder says as much. Molyneux has said some things on race in the past that has made me uncomfortable, but as uncomfortable as those things made me feel, they were factual. He has said that he wishes for and hopes that we can bring all of the races up to the same level. The beginnings of that is the guarantee nutrition for all children and to reduce or remove physical and emotional abuse of children in the home. A real White Supremacist! You germs!. [[Special:Contributions/2001:8003:B15B:F100:5D47:61E3:34EB:8D36|2001:8003:B15B:F100:5D47:61E3:34EB:8D36]] ([[User talk:2001:8003:B15B:F100:5D47:61E3:34EB:8D36|talk]]) 22:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC) |
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RS Issues
Footnotes 2-7 are cited at the top of the article in support of the conclusory statements that the subject is a "far-right white nationalist and white supremacist." Most of the cited sources consist of articles summarily reporting on YouTube's decision to ban the subject (among other individuals) without any objective analysis of his views, i.e., "The channels repeatedly violated YouTube’s policies, a YouTube spokesperson said, by alleging that members of protected groups were inferior." The only source that falls outside of the foregoing parameters mentions the subject in passing, using conclusory language, i.e., "While a guest on white supremacist, right-libertarian Stefan Molyneux's podcast, Peterson specifically appealed to Herrnstein and Murray's The Bell Curve (Herrnstein and Murray, 1994) to support his views [...]". I have no particular love or hate for the subject; however, I agree with the sentiment of many on this page that the article has been hijacked by folks with a political agenda who are actively degrading the objectivity and, therefore, the quality of mighty Wikipedia. I certainly think the article should not ignore the allegations of racism, but such discussion should be limited to the "criticism" section as others have suggested. 173.8.33.245 (talk) 21:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- On Wikipedia, facts about which all reliable sources agree are stated as facts. We do not WP:WHITEWASH BLP (or any other) articles. Newimpartial (talk) 21:59, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Facts are not white supremacy
Although it can be said that Stefan say that "African are collectively less intelligent than whites", he also says that Asian people are more intelligent than white people.
These claims are derived from IQ test data. So: If intelligence would be a determining factor of supremacy, then Stefan would be promoting Asian supremacy.
So, if we want to speak in right terms, Stefan is promoting a theory of genes as a big factor in individual's IQ. At the same time Stefan says that this does not make the individual a good person; It is only an attribute like individual's height. 62.165.169.66 (talk) 09:36, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- And a lot of wp:RS say its not true, so we go woth what RS say. Slatersteven (talk) 10:10, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- No, this is bullshit science used to legitimize and normalize racism, and has been debunked long since, see for example The Bell Curve#Reception and this excellent video essay (which by the way also explains why the "Asians are more intelligent" trope is part of the very same racism). Cheers ❖ hugarheimur 10:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Also, because it cannot be stressed enough, IQ tests are imperfect and questionable measures of intelligence, therefore using them for broad-scale intelligence assessment is pseudo-science, and—I'm so sorry, but I have to say it—the fact that the anonymous IP even brought them up without doing the most basic fact checking shows that they lack the necessary competence. TucanHolmes (talk) 08:42, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Criticism in intro/summary
The criticism from david gordon is out of place in the introduction and should be removed or moved to the criticism section of the article. The opinion of david gordon is out of place and does not add enough information about molyneux to warrant inclusion in that section. Perhaps a sentence along the lines of "Molyneux's writings have drawn extensive criticism from intellectuals who question Molyneux's intellectual rigor". 179.6.207.8 (talk) 20:56, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Not technically far-right. He's anarcho-capitalist.
Far right means hyper-nationalist and white nationalist. Because he is an anarchist, he technically is not far-right or alt-right. He is a fringe anarcho-capitalist racist conspiracy theorist. 76.113.227.254 (talk) 06:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia goes by reliable sources. You are not the first person to claim on this talk page that there is some contradiction between being far-right and anarcho-capitalist, but reliable sources do not, in general, treat this as an important refutation. There are a lot of reasons sources don't take this position seriously, but for our purposes, we would need sources explain this as a contradiction as it relates to Molyneux by name. Using sources which are not about Molyneux but are about anarcho-capitalism would likely be WP:SYNTH for anything in this article. Grayfell (talk) 07:40, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- I’m pretty sure AnCap is just a non-authoritarian far right philosophy and your definition is incorrect. Dronebogus (talk) 08:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Source for the claim he is an anarchist? Slatersteven (talk) 10:35, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

