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:I agree, although I think it should be [[African Americans|African American]]. [[User:Sundayclose|Sundayclose]] ([[User talk:Sundayclose|talk]]) 19:08, 22 January 2022 (UTC) |
:I agree, although I think it should be [[African Americans|African American]]. [[User:Sundayclose|Sundayclose]] ([[User talk:Sundayclose|talk]]) 19:08, 22 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::FWIW I don't have an opinion about "black" v. "African-American". Also, since I posted this, "black" was put into the lead, albeit not in the first sentence where I had it, but I think that's fine, I don't have a strong opinion about where exactly in the lead it should be. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] 19:24, 22 January 2022 (UTC) |
::FWIW I don't have an opinion about "black" v. "African-American". Also, since I posted this, "black" was put into the lead, albeit not in the first sentence where I had it, but I think that's fine, I don't have a strong opinion about where exactly in the lead it should be. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] 19:24, 22 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::The lead is not limited to the first sentence. No one is suggesting we exclude it entirely from the lead. But we should not suggest, he is not American, or that white people are all there are of Americans. The first sentence is where we usually put citizenship, not race, nor ethnicity. (See also featured article [[Barack Obama]].) [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 22:11, 22 January 2022 (UTC) |
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Martin Luther King Jr. has been linked from multiple high-traffic websites. All prior and subsequent edits to the article are noted in its revision history.
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Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2021martin Luther King Charlie Chaplin
1958 assassination attempt
Hello. Would it be OK if I added more information on the 1958 attempt on King's life by Izola Curry? There is more information on her page about the attempt that you can read about here, and I wondered if I could add the information (in my own words, from a neutral point of view) to the section in MLK's article. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 21:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim O'Doherty (talk • contribs) 17:25, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- I read the Izola Curry article and the section within this one. The entry already seems to summarize the information as it regards to King, so I would recommend proposing the sentence(s) you want added. Popoki35 (talk) 06:52, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Martin Luther King He’s only Grandchild
Can you please add Martin Luther King’s only grandchild Yolanda Renee King. Yolanda Renee King is the daughter of Martin Luther King the 3rd and his wife Arndrea Waters King. I strongly believe her name should be added to MLK’s biography.
Thank you 216.165.213.183 (talk) 14:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Rape witness
This page reads like a hagiography. I have had my attempt to insert well documented allegations of being present at a rape into the article, and have had it removed for point of view. Referenced historical documents and news reports are not a point of view. Please do not edit war attempts to steer the article towards a neutral, fact-based write up. Wikipedia is not a place to laud saints of whatever cult. As regards the point about structure., it is plain that this section is embryonic, and is designed for others to extend. If if such allegations are deemed so trivial as to to be merged into another section, then feel free to do so. However, deleting them because they are ideologically inconvenient is is entirely improper Andrewjlockley (talk) 09:56, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- In no way does this page remotely resemble a hagiography. The poorly-sourced WP:EXCEPTIONAL claim you sought to insert is already covered in the article. Repeating it and creating a "Controversies" section is a fundamental breach of NPOV (primarily WP:STRUCTURE) as well as proper sourcing policy.
Delting them because they are ideologically inconvenient
is your own imaginary view on recent edits with no basis in reality. Cambial — foliar❧ 10:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
It was sourced from the original reportage. The story was re-covered in the independent, times, guardian and mail Andrewjlockley (talk) 10:05, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- It was also covered in the Washington Post and the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times. All the sources you mention, save the deprecated Daily Mail, are scathing of Garrow's scholarship on the issue. Several scholars have pointed out the problems with it. This is all covered in the article already. Cambial — foliar❧ 10:07, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Here's a list of approx 10 media outlets covering from the same source. Failing to give this event its own section would be equivalent to overlooking similar for Weinstein, Epstein, etc. Andrewjlockley (talk) 10:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
https://www.google.com/search?q=mlk+rape&oq=mlk+rape+&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.4203j0j7&client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 Andrewjlockley (talk) 10:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
The word rape does not appear in the article. Nor does Gallow. It's not covered. Andrewjlockley (talk) 10:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
I've re-read the independent coverage. It's not "scathing". Garrow is referenced only once (corrected as above), and he's not the source. The FBI tapes are. He's just reporting on them Andrewjlockley (talk) 10:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- The word "raped" does appear in the article. Garrow does appear in the article. These are easily checkable facts. This is fast getting silly.
- Creating a section devoted to negative views is a breach of WP:STRUCTURE, part of the non-negotiable NPOV policy.
- The tapes are not available. Garrow is giving his interpretation of a handwritten note of highly dubious provenance, as multiple scholars have pointed out. Cambial — foliar❧ 10:21, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2022
184.71.16.250 (talk) 17:13, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Martin Luther King Jr. (born Michael King Jr.; January 15, 1929 – April 4, 1968) was an American Baptist minister and activist who became the most visible spokesman and leader in the American civil rights movement from 1955 until his assassination in 1968. Renamed after German reformer Martin Luther, King advanced civil rights through nonviolence and civil disobedience, inspired by his Christian beliefs and the nonviolent activism of Mahatma Gandhi. He was the son of early civil rights activist and minister Martin Luther King Sr.
King participated in and led marches for colored people's right to vote, desegregation, labor rights, and other civil rights.[1] King led the 1955 Montgomery bus boycott and later became the first president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC). As president of the SCLC, he led the unsuccessful Albany Movement in Albany, Georgia, and helped organize some of the nonviolent 1963 protests in Birmingham, Alabama. King helped organize the 1963 March on Washington, where he delivered his "I Have a Dream" speech on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
The SCLC put into practice the tactics of nonviolent protest with some success by strategically choosing the methods and places in which protests were carried out. There were several dramatic stand-offs with segregationist authorities, who sometimes turned violent.[2] Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director J. Edgar Hoover considered King a radical and made him an object of the FBI's COINTELPRO from 1963, forward. FBI agents investigated him for possible communist ties, recorded his extramarital affairs and reported on them to government officials, and, in 1964, mailed King a threatening anonymous letter, which he interpreted as an attempt to make him commit suicide.[3]
On October 14, 1964, King won the Nobel Peace Prize for combating racial inequality through nonviolent resistance. In 1965, he helped organize two of the three Selma to Montgomery marches. In his final years, he expanded his focus to include opposition towards poverty, capitalism, and the Vietnam War. In 1968, King was planning a national occupation of Washington, D.C., to be called the Poor People's Campaign, when he was assassinated on April 4 in Memphis, Tennessee. His death was followed by riots in many U.S. cities. Allegations that James Earl Ray, the man convicted of killing King, had been framed or acted in concert with government agents persisted for decades after the shooting. King was posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1977 and the Congressional Gold Medal in 2003. Martin Luther King Jr. Day was established as a holiday in cities and states throughout the United States beginning in 1971; the holiday was enacted at the federal level by legislation signed by President Ronald Reagan in 1986. Hundreds of streets in the U.S. have been renamed in his honor, and the most populous county in Washington State was rededicated for him. The Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., was dedicated in 2011.
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sundayclose (talk) 17:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Why are we not identifying MLK as Black in the lead?
MOS:ETHNICITY says "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." Clearly, MLK being Black is relevant to his notability. What the heck am I missing here? Levivich 17:40, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- I agree, although I think it should be African American. Sundayclose (talk) 19:08, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- FWIW I don't have an opinion about "black" v. "African-American". Also, since I posted this, "black" was put into the lead, albeit not in the first sentence where I had it, but I think that's fine, I don't have a strong opinion about where exactly in the lead it should be. Levivich 19:24, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- The lead is not limited to the first sentence. No one is suggesting we exclude it entirely from the lead. But we should not suggest, he is not American, or that white people are all there are of Americans. The first sentence is where we usually put citizenship, not race, nor ethnicity. (See also featured article Barack Obama.) Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:11, 22 January 2022 (UTC)










