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Rodolph (talk) 20:13, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rodolph: The article is about Ivy de Verley, not her father-in-law. Information about her father-in-law does not add encyclopedic value to an article about her. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 21:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but if you were writing about, say, the late Diana, Princess of Wales you'd be pushed not to mention HM the Queen, even as a passing reference in one sentence? Rodolph (talk) 00:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:When to use or avoid "other stuff exists" arguments. If Samuel Messenger Bradley is notable, we can make an article on him. But as it stands the fact that he was Ivy's father-in-law does not tell us anything about Ivy. This is presumably not the case with Elizabeth and Diana. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 00:45, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My research skills really failed me on this one. Thanks for rescuing the article. Schazjmd (talk) 22:26, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Schazjmd: Not a problem—it was an interesting learning opportunity. I find that the Internet Archive is an excellent resource when things don't pop up on Google. Most of its results aren't indexed in the major search engines. As for wisdom poetry, it seems like scholars are a bit unsure of what to do about it—some seem to think it's definitely a genre, while others aren't so sure. I'm still on the fence about whether to present it as "this is definitely a thing" or "scholars use the term but are divided on its significance" or something else. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:29, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting! I've only used the archive for specific URLs, I've never tried it as a search engine. Appreciate the tip. Schazjmd (talk) 22:34, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, the Wayback Machine is for archiving URLs, but there are tons of fully searchable and freely accessible books on it too. Just have to register for an account to "borrow" the books that are still in copyright. One of the internet's best-kept secrets IMO. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:41, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On 9 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Greg Tate, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 21:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On 10 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Prise d'Orange, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that part of Prise d'Orange was recently discovered in the binding of another book? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Prise d'Orange. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Prise d'Orange), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On 11 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ruth Crosby Noble, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that zoologist Ruth Crosby Noble's 1945 book on animal behavior was said to have the "rare quality of combining entertainment with sound scientific value"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ruth Crosby Noble. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ruth Crosby Noble), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM  01:25, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your recent articles, including Jennette Lee, which I read with interest. When you create an extensive and well referenced article, you may want to have it featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did You Know section (which I already see you are familiar with). Articles included there will be read by thousands of our viewers. To do so, add your article to the list at T:TDYK. This can be also done through this helpful user script: User:SD0001/DYK-helper. Let me know if you need help, _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:31, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: Thanks for the reminder. I usually nominate when I can think of a hook-y fact but in this case I couldn't think of anything about Jennette Lee that was easily hook-able. If we get Mr. Achilles above stub length that's a viable candidate ... AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Gråbergs Gråa Sång, thanks for this lovely message - best wintry wishes to you as well :) AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:36, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

		The Reviewer Barnstar
		I've been following along with parts of your Socrates GA review and wanted to share a note of appreciation for your diligence. This is the stuff that makes Wikipedia great for readers, so thank you! czar 18:37, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, Czar! Finally, my undergraduate philosophy degree is being put to some use. Cinadon36 deserves a zillion barnstars for their diligent work on this article; responding to a review is a lot harder than writing one. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:40, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your nice words AleatoryPonderings! Your review improved the article drastically in many ways, from paying attention to details to balancing and correcting the text! Cinadon36 07:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

	Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2022!!
	Hello AleatoryPonderings, warm wishes to you and your family throughout the holiday season. May your heart and home be filled with all of the joys the festive season brings. Here is a toast to a Merry Christmas and prosperous New Year!. scope_creepTalk 01:12, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

John Vanderlyn, Ariadne Asleep on the Island of Naxos (c.1812), Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts		Best wishes for a safe, healthy and prosperous 2022.
		Thank you for your contributions toward making Wikipedia a better and more accurate place. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply] Moral lesson: John Vanderlyn was an American painter who studied in Paris, and his life-sized Ariadne Asleep on the Island of Naxos was one of the first large nudes exhibited in the United States. Peddling the poison as well as the cure, this overtly sensuous work was presented to the public as a moral lesson on the consequences of lascivious behavior. Visible in the distance is the ship of Princess Ariadne's secret lover, Theseus, for whom she has betrayed her people by helping him to escape the Labyrinth and slay the Minotaur. Ariadne's bliss will come to an end when she awakens from her post-coital reverie, only to discover that the faithless Theseus has sailed away without her.

Happy premature New Year to you as well, BoringHistoryGuy. I will endeavour to leave lasciviousness behind in 2022. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 21:06, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aww, WHY when it's so pleasureful? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:08, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aleatory, thanks for your work this year! I wish you and yours all the best during this holiday season and into the new year. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:44, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Eddie891: Likewise! Hoping 2022 will bring with it happiness and at least some more normalcy. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We can hope, at least. I do still own that book on Hall v. Decuir, but haven't gotten around to writing it, though I have every intention to. If you're interested, I've been doing some work on Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus recently-- rather timely and pretty interesting. There are some gaps I've been unable to fill, such as the history from 1950 to 1970 and RSs about its usage as an idiom, but I think it's approaching comprehensiveness. Hard to search thru all the reprints. Cheers, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 01:13, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Eddie891, you're underselling the backstory of "Yes, Virginia", when at a quick scan I notice "Philip O'Hanlon, a coroner's assistant …". Not that I'm about to go write Coroner's assistant, but my goodness what a horrifying and intriguing occupation. All the awfulness of being a coroner and none of the glory. Regret to say that I'd forgotten about Hall v. Decuir until you mentioned it. Bizarre that we decided to create it and the book comes out a month or two later. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 01:49, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2022!

Hello AleatoryPonderings, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2022. Happy editing, TheEagle107 (talk) 18:48, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply] Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

On 28 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Thomas Kinsella, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 02:25, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy AP! Hope the holidays are finding you well and in good spirits! Wishing you the best as we head into the new year! Regards, Ktin (talk) 06:03, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin: Same to you :) Hope you have a happy and healthy year to come. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:44, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your guidance, words of wisdom, and work on our boy. I cried the first time I saw it on a guided tour, and for an ekphrastic project, wrote about it. That later became its own published story, very different than the original, but still true to the emotional core of the painting. You said, "I love articles on obscure literary or artistic works because it's amazing how much you can say about them if you look hard enough". If you look hard enough, you'll find the shirt almost entirely void of any detail, both in the digitized painting and the real-life one. Wood's effort on Arnold's figure went almost entirely into his face - now, what can we make of that? I don't think we can say much other than love is there, and it's tangible. :) Thanks again. Urve (talk) 04:22, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Urve: What a beautiful message. Grateful to you for your erudition, diligence, and kindness. You've made the internet a brighter place for me and our readers. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 04:46, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On 30 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article E. O. Wilson, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 20:05, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On 31 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article J. D. Crowe, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 03:13, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]