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Should we add [[Weather of 2021]] to the see also section? I originally added it, and then another editor, {{u|Drdpw}} removed it saying "{{tq|usually only include other "current season" tropical cyclone articles}}". While that is the case, the "weather by year" articles just recently started with [[Weather of 2020]], which actually is in need of a lot of fixing. The [[Weather of 2021]] is the second article of "weather by years", so this would be something new that would be added to the see also sections. Because of how new this type of article list is, we have no previous discussions about it, so let's have the discussion. Should the [[Weather of 2021]] list style article be added to the See also section of this article? [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 22:23, 21 November 2021 (UTC) |
Should we add [[Weather of 2021]] to the see also section? I originally added it, and then another editor, {{u|Drdpw}} removed it saying "{{tq|usually only include other "current season" tropical cyclone articles}}". While that is the case, the "weather by year" articles just recently started with [[Weather of 2020]], which actually is in need of a lot of fixing. The [[Weather of 2021]] is the second article of "weather by years", so this would be something new that would be added to the see also sections. Because of how new this type of article list is, we have no previous discussions about it, so let's have the discussion. Should the [[Weather of 2021]] list style article be added to the See also section of this article? [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 22:23, 21 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:Just add it. Who cares. There’s a bunch of stupid fighting around this project over things don’t don’t amount to anything. I’ve been guilty of it myself, but it’s definitely a habit of newer users. [[User:United States Man|United States Man]] ([[User talk:United States Man#top|talk]]) 00:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC) |
:Just add it. Who cares. There’s a bunch of stupid fighting around this project over things don’t don’t amount to anything. I’ve been guilty of it myself, but it’s definitely a habit of newer users. [[User:United States Man|United States Man]] ([[User talk:United States Man#top|talk]]) 00:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:Yeah, it's a trivial thing to fight over, but, so far we are following [[WP:BRD]]. I do agree on including it, though. Arguments of what we usually do or don't can't really be applied in this case, since this is a whole new set of articles within the project. [[User:TornadoLGS|TornadoLGS]] ([[User talk:TornadoLGS|talk]]) 00:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC) |
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TCR updates
Some of the TCRs have been released, can we keep these in mind and update when necessary? So far the only possible changes I've noticed are with the times of formation and extratropical transition of Odette. (I'd add the changes myself but I'm on mobile rn and don't want to bother with formatting the reference.) Mvhcmaniac (talk) 14:55, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, as the various TCRs are published adjustments should be made to the individual storm subsections. Also, there may be a major re-write of the entire 'System' section next spring once the bulk of TCRs are published, as was done to the 2020 season article. Drdpw (talk) 16:05, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
Last system dissapated
so its been about a week since wanda dissapated and there is no signs for significant development for tropical Cyclones in the basin, so do we just but the last system dissapated as November 7? OrzonYT (talk) 13:06, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Premature, as the season does not end until November 30. Drdpw (talk) 13:40, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed with Drdpw. United States Man (talk) 18:54, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- We should wait until it's December 1, technically, since November 30 is the last day. Probably good to have this, since we had an edit war over it last year. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:23, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed with TornadoLGS, the hurricane season doesn't end until November 30. It shouldn't end early. Severestorm28 (talk) 01:19, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2021
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Not done: why? Leomk (Don't shout here, Shout here!) 01:08, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- I would take this is referring to the name change for the article done recently. (which I'm a little miffed I missed because it seems to go against conventions but okay then) DarkSide830 (talk) 01:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Already done I'm not too familiar with the storm, but I see there was a move discussion, and the name was changed, so I'm not going to argue with it. Also it appears that the change has already been made to this article, so I have closed the edit request tag. Signed, I Am Chaos (talk) 02:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- I would take this is referring to the name change for the article done recently. (which I'm a little miffed I missed because it seems to go against conventions but okay then) DarkSide830 (talk) 01:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Note: Template:Broader (For broader coverage of this topic, see …) is often used in such instances, as is Template:See also, in Atlantic/Pacific hurricane/typhoon season articles rather than "Main". Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 15:17, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Template:Broader vs. Template:Main vs. Template:See also
There are three different templates with varying levels of support for usage regarding Wanda. Here they are:
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Which one should be used in this article? 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- A bit of looking into template documentation should make it clear that none of these are to be used, since {{Further}} is the correct template in this case. The section on Wanda describes Wanda specifically, a subtopic of October 2021 nor'easter. {{Further}} is the prescribed template per Template:Main/doc and Template:Broader/doc. Chlod (say hi!) 14:08, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- Either further or see also. It definitely shouldn’t be main article and I never liked the broader template. United States Man (talk) 14:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- If I'm interpreting past AHS article practice correctly, Template:Main should not be used. It appears that either Template:Broader or Template:See also is used in subsections where the hyperlinked article title does not reflect the subsection title. I'm of the opinion that this practice should be followed in the Wanda subsection; my preference leans toward Template:Broader. Drdpw (talk) 14:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Based on my understanding of WP policies, {{Further}} would probably be the most appropriate template to use in this case. The "See also" template is absolutely out of the question, as the nor'easter/Wanda article doesn't just mention Wanda (unlike some of our flood articles on tropical depressions and tropical lows), but covers it in its entirety, from beginning to end (nor'easter to tropical storm). "See also" is to be used only if the subject isn't directly related, or if the linked article doesn't go into the subject in full depth. While the "Broader" and "Main" template could technically be used (more so the "Broader" template), Chlod is the template nerd/expert here, so I will defer to his judgement. He may not have had a tenure quite as long as some of us here, but he's definitely much more knowledgeable when it comes to topics like coding and templates. I may have been a WP editor for 12 years and one of the WPTC "veterans", but I have enough wisdom and maturity at this point in life to acknowledge when someone else is more of an expert on the subject than I am. So I think we should use the "Further" template here, for Freda (1962), and all other analogous cases out here. Honestly, though, there probably aren't that many of them. Also, STOP with the edit warring. This is completely ridiculous. Not to mention that this was one of the dumbest edit wars I have ever witnessed on WP, period. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:18, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Adding Weather of 2021 to the See also section
Should we add Weather of 2021 to the see also section? I originally added it, and then another editor, Drdpw removed it saying "usually only include other "current season" tropical cyclone articles
". While that is the case, the "weather by year" articles just recently started with Weather of 2020, which actually is in need of a lot of fixing. The Weather of 2021 is the second article of "weather by years", so this would be something new that would be added to the see also sections. Because of how new this type of article list is, we have no previous discussions about it, so let's have the discussion. Should the Weather of 2021 list style article be added to the See also section of this article? Elijahandskip (talk) 22:23, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Just add it. Who cares. There’s a bunch of stupid fighting around this project over things don’t don’t amount to anything. I’ve been guilty of it myself, but it’s definitely a habit of newer users. United States Man (talk) 00:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's a trivial thing to fight over, but, so far we are following WP:BRD. I do agree on including it, though. Arguments of what we usually do or don't can't really be applied in this case, since this is a whole new set of articles within the project. TornadoLGS (talk) 00:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

