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The "short description" - seen on some devices - is overly bland, bordering on misleading (it sounds like one person was shot, possibly by accident). I see the article cannot be edited, due to being linked the The Troubles. Fair enough, I guess, but then can I suggest something like:

• Shooting of civilians during a protest in Northern Ireland in 1972
• Shooting of unarmed civilians protesting in Derry, Northern Ireland, 1972

Something like this would give a reasonable advance indication of the article content.

I think I may see a similar pattern of over-cautious, or meaninglessly-brief, summaries on other "sensitive" articles. There is a difference between sensitivity and conciseness, and lack of content, so it may be worth reviewing other such summaries.

Thanks, as always, for the fine encyclopedia.212.34.42.186 (talk) 09:43, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An IP recently edited the lead (diff) to change how it presents the details of John Johnston's death. I have reverted this, because it doesn't match the content of the body of the article, but I'm not sure that the cited sources actually support the content that's currently there. The article says his death has been attributed to the injuries he received on the day; the source it's supported by (CAIN) says His family is convinced that he died prematurely and that his death was due to the injuries received and trauma he underwent on 'Bloody Sunday'.

It seems to me that, if it is only his family that attributes the death to the injuries, rather than medical experts or a court ruling, we should be clearer about this in the article, with wording along the lines of 'His family believes that his injuries on the day led to his early death.'

I don't want to make a potentially controversial change like this myself without discussing it here first, but I do think we need either better sourcing to show widespread attribution of his death to his injuries, or we need to change our wording to show it was his family who made the attribution.

(Note to anyone looking for the refs - there seems to be some disagreement about the spelling of his name - the CAIN source refers to him as Johnson, rather than Johnston) GirthSummit _(blether) 08:40, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A quick Google shows that the quote introduced in the lead is adapted from this statement in the Saville Report: "We are satisfied that John Johnston's death was not the result of any of the wounds he sustained on Bloody Sunday." Although Johnston's death has long been attributed to the Bloody Sunday, it seems that this particular finding by Saville has been overlooked, which is surprising. Nick Cooper (talk) 13:34, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

From Wikipedia- "One of U2's most overtly political songs, its lyrics describe the horror felt by an observer of the Troubles in Northern Ireland, mainly focusing on the 1972 Bloody Sunday incident in Derry where British troops shot and killed unarmed civil rights protesters."

I suggest that whoever is mainating this article add a reference to U2's Sunday, Bloody Sunday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyle kursk (talk • contribs) 22:28, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is in the article. FDW777 (talk) 07:39, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

U2 artistic, really? They're about as artistic as Black Sabbath.... oops, they're in the 'Artistic Reaction' section as well... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.209.12 (talk) 02:15, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive330#Bloody Sunday (1972). FDW777 (talk) 09:54, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's (Redacted), by the way. Paragon Deku (talk) 18:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Paragon Deku: Do you feel that including his name here is helpful in making a content-related decision? If not, we should remove it per WP:BLPTALK and WP:BLPNAME. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 18:55, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLPTALK refers to unsourced and poorly sourced content. I don't believe a mention in Hansard is poorly sourced at all. WP:BLPNAME would apply if he wasn't a (Redacted) heavily discussed in the article for his actions on Bloody Sunday. I will strike part of my statement for not being entirely related to content, but I will not be removing the rest of my statement. Paragon Deku (talk) 18:59, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BLP violation redacted, in addition to the oversight. FDW777 (talk) 07:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that Village Magazine has reported Soldier F’s real name. Whether or not this changes the direction of the archived BLP discussion, I feel like it is worth mentioning. 50.24.63.63 (talk) 05:24, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think it does, thanks for providing the reference. Mztourist (talk) 06:31, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]