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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David Calloway Ross, Jr. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Dubious notability, zero hits from RS in Google, created by an SPA intent on promoting a business the article's subject managed Fastily 20:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Missouri. Shellwood (talk) 21:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Alabama and Georgia (U.S. state). WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, fails to establish what the individual is actually notable for - no notable achievements apart from running a small local funeral parlour. Dan arndt (talk) 00:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete--I don't see any notability for this person either. Drmies (talk) 17:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand the concerns raised about the article's subject, David Calloway Ross, Jr. However, I'd like to provide additional context and evidence to support his notability. While it's true that Ross's achievements may not be globally recognized, his contributions to the local community and funeral services industry are significant. As the president and funeral director of Ross-Clayton Funeral Home, he has:Continued the legacy of his family's business, which has been serving the community for over 100 years; Provided leadership and guidance to the funeral home, ensuring its continued operation and service to the community; Demonstrated a commitment to the local community through his involvement in various organizations and initiatives; Regarding the lack of Google search results, I'd like to point out that not all notable individuals have a strong online presence. This doesn't diminish Ross's achievements or impact on the community.
    As for the article being created by a single-purpose account (SPA), I assure you that my intention is not to promote a business but to document Ross's historical significance and contributions. I believe the article meets Wikipedia's guidelines for notability and verifiability. Ross's achievements may not be widely recognized, but they are notable in the context of his community and industry. I'm willing to work with you to improve the article and address any concerns. Please consider retaining the article. Mcrossphd (talk) 17:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Currently he does NOT meet our requirements; what is needed is reliable secondary sourcing. You argued that the Ross-Clayton funeral home is the oldest in the city--that's not even verified and I'm not sure it's true. There's a few mentions in a few books, but nothing of significance. If you would produce reliable secondary sources, that would be a different matter. Drmies (talk) 17:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article on the business by Brad Harper is maybe a small step on the way to notability, but that's for the business, not the person. I note also that neither Harper nor the historical marker (I'm surprised the Alabama Historical Society accepted that text) make the "oldest funeral home" claim. BTW I'm about to write up the article on Lincoln Cemetery--there is no doubt that that is notable, on the basis of secondary sources and history. For this person, that argument is hard to make though perhaps the business might be notable. Drmies (talk) 17:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sir, please review Historical Marker Database for reliable source for Ross Clayton Funeral Home's History. Also view link for David Callaway Ross's notability references Mcrossphd (talk) 17:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • Mrcrossphd, please don't call me "sir"--"Drmies" will do just fine, thanks. Historical markers are not generally accepted as acceptable secondary sources here, and that particular text is so blatantly non-neutral. Let me put it another way: it would be somewhat silly to dispute the facts on a marker (the Historical Association--Scotty Kirkland runs that--checks it) but we shouldn't be using historical markers as the basis for our articles. A historical marker is an indication of some importance, but not by itself a guarantor of notability. I've done that Google search, but better: I looked at Google News and Google Books. Your search, unfortunately, does not deliver a single reliable secondary source; if you correct "callaway" to "calloway" and check news, you at least get the obituary from WSFA, but that's really all. If you had checked "books", you'd have found this--but again, that's not much. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 20:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

          I want to highlight two references regarding Ross Clayton Funeral Home notability as mentioned in ref. 1 and ref. 2.also see Google Search ResultMcrossphd (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: fails WP:GNG. Seems like the page creator has some undisclosed WP:COI. Contributor892z (talk) 20:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete doesn't meet WP:GNG. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete due to lack of even an allegation of notability. He was a mortician, a useful and necessary but common profession. Bearian (talk) 16:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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