Talk:Pavlo Skoropadsky
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Is "Ukrainian People's Republic" really a better translation than "Ukrainian National Republic"? "Nation" and"[a] people" [as opposed to "some people"] both seem to be equally synonymous with "narid" to me. The dictionary definitions of nation and people refer to each other, but nation has more of a government/politics connotation, and people also has other meanings. So "nation" seems more expedient because it is less ambigous, more widely used in this sense today, and conveniently corresponds to the initials UNR. On the other hand, People's Republic does have a more socialist or communist feel, which is appropriate, but brings to mind extreme communist states like China (PRC).
Also, would it be more appropriate to transliterate the name of the Ukrainian State from the Ukrainian as Ukrayinska Derzhava, instead of the Russian Ukrainskaya Derzhava? From reading Subtelny's history I realize that the state's administration would likely have conducted business in Russian, but the subject concerns the Ukrainian nation. I don't know which is best. —Michael Z. 2005-06-4 07:01 Z
- I think "people's" is better to use. In the context of the time, it is more likely to be the meaning implied by the founders, i.e. they meant "Narodna Respublika Ukrayiny" more likely than "Respublika Ukrayins'kogo Narodu". I agree that "Ukrains'ka Derzhava" is more fitting than "Ukrainskaya". Cheers, -Irpen 20:00, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
Re: People's or National. I think that the analogy with the People's Republic of China perfectly works. UNR was "conceived" by socialists (e.g., Hrushevsky was SR and Vynnychenko was quite close to communists) and was supposed to be a socialist state. Also, I am somewhat concerned that the article puts Hetmanat too much in the context of the Russian Civil War. Sashazlv 23:02, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Reworking 'origin' section
I think the long list of his extended family is not very helpful or appropriate in that section. I will change it in a sandbox, so be aware. Mnohohrishnyi (talk) 14:59, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
Move to Skoropadsky?
Skoropadsky seems to be the more common spelling, like Skoropadsky family. Google also returns about 3x as many results for Skoropadsky. Mnohohrishnyi (talk) 18:11, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- Opposed,"Skoropadskyi" is the traditional Ukrainian spelling of the name. Illia2 (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
Move to Skoropadskyi?
The"Skoropadskyi" spelling is the accurate Ukrainian translation of the name so I request a change of this article's name to "Pavlo Skoropadskyi" instead of "Pavlo Skoropadsky" Illia2 (talk) 16:00, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- I would rather not. You can check pageviews for when the page was Skoropadskyi vs when I renamed it Skoropadsky; they rose nearly three-fold after the rename to current name. We must use the more common name, which is Skoropadsky. Mnohohrishnyi (talk) 11:03, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
- isn't Wikipedia about preserving culture and informing about Events? I don't think using the Russified version of his name has a good reason to be made the Name of the Article other than its more common. Illia2 (talk) 18:59, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
Adding "Commander-in-Chief of Ukrainian Army" to Infobox
Pavlo Skoropadskyi was elected as General Ataman on December 6th 1917 which the role was practically the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Army which he was forced to resign from that position on December 29th,1917,but still,I think that role needs to be included on the Infobox. Also,Pavlo Skoropadskyi was the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Army from April 29th,1918-November 19th,1918 during his Hetmanate,which he was replaced by Fyodor Arturovich Keller. Illia2 (talk) 03:20, 26 January 2026 (UTC)





