Talk:Law on languages of peoples of the Russian Federation
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I want to improve the article, but I need help.
Dear @ToadetteEdit,
Please help me to improve the article!
Could you say, what is wrong exactly? Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 19:39, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- I can see that there are unsourced paragraphs, in particular in the last ones. A recommendation is to find more sources that verfies the statement. I see a lot of links that can be used as sources to fill in the gap of unsourced content. If every statement is verified by sources and cited inline, then the draft may be accepted. ToadetteEdit (talk) 19:46, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- OK, thanks! Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 19:51, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- I have added sources and quotes to the last paragraphs. Please check whether it's OK. Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 20:15, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- @ToadetteEdit Please review the changes: I need to know that I am going in the right way. Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 08:19, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
- This is a bit better than before (sorry for the late reply!), but an advice is to cite the sources inline -- see Wikipedia:Citing sources. This is to ensure verification of the statements. You can resubmit now, and the draft might be accepted soon if you do so, and if it gets declined again, try to address those issues. Hope that helps! ToadetteEdit (talk) 19:01, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will try to resubmit now! Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 05:33, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- This is a bit better than before (sorry for the late reply!), but an advice is to cite the sources inline -- see Wikipedia:Citing sources. This is to ensure verification of the statements. You can resubmit now, and the draft might be accepted soon if you do so, and if it gets declined again, try to address those issues. Hope that helps! ToadetteEdit (talk) 19:01, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
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I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thank You for contributing in Wikipedia. I had checked your article and found that you have added a blacklisted or depreceated sources. Please replace those references by reliable and independent references to the subject. Fade258 (talk) 09:08, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- What exactly do you mean?
- Due to persistent abuse, Lenta.ru is on the Wikipedia spam blacklist, and links to articles published on or after 12 March 2014 must be whitelisted before they can be used.
- The Lenta.ru article which is used here is published in 2004[1]. Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 06:36, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
Wrong title
The Law on Languages of the Peoples of the Russian Federation is officially known as "О языках народов Российской Федерации" (https://base.garant.ru/10148970/). The Law on a Unified Graphic Base is a change to it. The article conflates the two. Викидим (talk) 01:01, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- The "Disputed" template removed: "This article's factual accuracy is disputed." -- it is not true, the point is the name of the article but not the facts.[2] Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 06:06, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- IMHO when the title of article is "A" while the text is about "B", this is as glaring a factual problem as there can be. I have also checked the first hard fact in the article (the name of the law), and it seems to be wrong also: there is no WP:RS that uses this term in English, and I do not know of any reasonable translation back into Russian. The term used on Russia Wikipedia, "Закон о единой графической основе" is also not known anywhere beyond the said Wikipedia, blog, and a few messages on social networks. It seems that this is simply change in another law (with this other law certainly being notable and having its own article). The current title usurps the name of this other law. Why? Викидим (talk) 07:25, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- The article is mostly about the change in the Law on languages of peoples of the Russian Federation.
- I think the name corresponds to the Crimean Tatar Wikipedia's one.
- You say "this other law certainly being notable and having its own article".
- Where is this article?
- I don't insist on the name: it could be named as in Russian and Ukrainian Wikipediaes. Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 08:17, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, I mis-spoke. I should have said, "deserving". What I have wanted to say is that there is plenty of scholarship on the subject of О языках народов Российской Федерации, and apparently almost nothing had been written on the topic of this article (I would be happy to be proven wrong, but I have tried searches in both English and Russian, and came up with next to nothing. Even the long quotes here do not name the "bill". Combined with the fact that they were published much later, are they even talking about the same law? Викидим (talk) 08:42, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- "almost nothing had been written on the topic of this article"
- See References and External links.
- "Even the long quotes here do not name the "bill". Combined with the fact that they were published much later, are they even talking about the same law?"
- All the quotes are about the prohibition of the Tatar Latin alphabet by the authorities of the Russian Federation.
- IMHO the article could be named as "Prohibition of the writing systems in the Russian Federation"! Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 09:19, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, I mis-spoke. I should have said, "deserving". What I have wanted to say is that there is plenty of scholarship on the subject of О языках народов Российской Федерации, and apparently almost nothing had been written on the topic of this article (I would be happy to be proven wrong, but I have tried searches in both English and Russian, and came up with next to nothing. Even the long quotes here do not name the "bill". Combined with the fact that they were published much later, are they even talking about the same law? Викидим (talk) 08:42, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- By the way, @Викидим: can the free encyclopedia conduct a campaign for the freedom of languages? What do you think? Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 08:40, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- If your question is "Can the editing of Wikipedia be used as a tool of a political campaign?" (if I am wrong, please re-word for clarity), IMHO the answer is contained in WP:NOTHERE. Викидим (talk) 08:48, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think that freedom of languages is politics. I think that it is human rights. Wikipedia conducts campaigns for human rights. E.g. Wikipedia conducts the campaign for the freedom of panorama. I think that the freedom of languages is related to the free encyclopedia as well. Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 09:08, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- You have asked for my view. I have already provided an answer. Викидим (talk) 00:00, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
- If your question is "Can the editing of Wikipedia be used as a tool of a political campaign?"
- Your answer is to your own question.
- Definitely the editing of Wikipedia cannot be used as a tool of a political campaign.
- It means that the articles have to provide scientific facts, even if some politicians don't like it.
- E.g. prohibition of the writing systems in the Russian Federation is the fact.
- But on the other hand Wikipedia conducts campaigns for the human rights or for the freedom of panorama: #WikiForHumanRights 2025:Our Rights, Our Future, Right Now, FoP campaigns and protests
- It means that the campaign for the freedom of languages is also possible! At least you couldn't give a reasoned objection. Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 08:57, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
- You have asked for my view. I have already provided an answer. Викидим (talk) 00:00, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think that freedom of languages is politics. I think that it is human rights. Wikipedia conducts campaigns for human rights. E.g. Wikipedia conducts the campaign for the freedom of panorama. I think that the freedom of languages is related to the free encyclopedia as well. Daniel Broomfield Ua (talk) 09:08, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- If your question is "Can the editing of Wikipedia be used as a tool of a political campaign?" (if I am wrong, please re-word for clarity), IMHO the answer is contained in WP:NOTHERE. Викидим (talk) 08:48, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- IMHO when the title of article is "A" while the text is about "B", this is as glaring a factual problem as there can be. I have also checked the first hard fact in the article (the name of the law), and it seems to be wrong also: there is no WP:RS that uses this term in English, and I do not know of any reasonable translation back into Russian. The term used on Russia Wikipedia, "Закон о единой графической основе" is also not known anywhere beyond the said Wikipedia, blog, and a few messages on social networks. It seems that this is simply change in another law (with this other law certainly being notable and having its own article). The current title usurps the name of this other law. Why? Викидим (talk) 07:25, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
