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I hope everyone likes the new map. Cheers! [[User:Keeby101|Kirby]] ([[User talk:Keeby101|talk]]) 10:19, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I hope everyone likes the new map. Cheers! [[User:Keeby101|Kirby]] ([[User talk:Keeby101|talk]]) 10:19, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

::::Alright everyone, I have recently returned to wikipedia and I thought I'd let you all in on what's been going on since July.

::::LouisArgon took my inaccurate 2.0 map that I made down with this statement ''Per HistoryofIran's talk page; this current version of the new map contains way too many fallacies. Reverted back until Keeby finishes his 2.0 version''.

::::So as of today I had returned to Wikipedia to see that the map in the infobox that I created was nominated for deletion on Wikimedia commons for not providing a source in the description of it like how I did on Wikipedia.

::::Now it's true that the map is inaccurate and it needs to be redone, but I do believe that providing sources stalled the deletion discussion.

::::But its because of all of these dilemma's that I've felt no choice but to turn this over to the Graphists of the Map Workshop. I have given them all of the knowledge you and HistoryofIran gave to me.

::::Just as I told both [[User:LouisArgon|LoisArgon]] [User:[HistoryofIran|HistoryofIran]] on his talk page, I encourage all of you to go and comment on there as well and give your two cents on the matter. Perhaps provide them with any information that you haven't given to me before about the Sasanian Empire at it's greatest extent.

::::Here's the link to the map workshop request: [[Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop#Sasanian_Empire_Map]]

::::Now if you all want to do an Rfc like two years ago for recommendations to the map workshop team, then by all means, I am in. :)

::::Regards and Cheers, [[User:Keeby101|Kirby]] ([[User talk:Keeby101|talk]]) 02:20, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Regards, [[User:Keeby101|Kirby]] ([[User talk:Keeby101|talk]]) 02:20, 20 November 2016 (UTC)


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Former featured articleSasanian Empire is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
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The map

Needs a source, or it should be removed. There are a number of major errors in there. For example, the name "Judea" was not used at the time, but Palaestina Prima. Oncenawhile (talk) 23:52, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Umm.. with all due respect, you are aware that Judea consisted of not only Palaestina Prima, but Palaestina Secunda and Palaestina Tertia as well? All of which was annexed by the Sasanian Empire during the War of 602-628. This article on Wikipedia alone Jewish revolt against Heraclius states such!

Bottom line is that the map should not be removed! It's good enough as it is. As I said two years ago, if there is something wrong with the map, I will address it, but I just didn't think of the name Palaestina Prima at the time I made the map. So there you have it. Regards! Kirby (talk) 05:03, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with Oncenawhile about the map. Just for starters, several egregious spelling errors (e.g., "Khwarmezm," "Ectabana," "Abarshar," "Kushanshar") and orthographic inconsistencies (why "Estakhr" but "Spahan"?) and to claim that the "normal" territories of the Sasanian Empire (no justification for the spelling "Sassanian" aside from repeating other people's ignorance and laziness, by the way) included not only Bactria but also southwestern Yemen and Sogdiana (!) is extremely misleading. Definitely not "good enough as it is." Slamwart (talk) 04:45, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Oncenawhile and Slamwart, particularly about spelling, it just makes the map look sloppy; I mean Egyptus, instead of Aegyptus, is bizarre. I get liking an old empire, and wanting to show it being strong, but it seems typical boundaries would be a lot more appropriate; I mean, placing Cappadocia under Sassanian control at the "greatest extent" is really little different than placing Nineveh, or the Euphrates&Tigris up to Ctesiphon at the Eastern Roman Empire's greatest extent (reigns of Maurice and Heraclius) which of course is absurd. Also my knowledge of Sasanian history pales in comparison to my knowledge of Eastern Roman History, but Yemen being under direct Sasanian control strikes me as very strange, as those were the provinces of the Arab tribes, if my memory serves. (Alcibiades979 (talk) 14:05, 26 March 2016 (UTC))[reply]
I think there should be a distinction on the map between the "max" (showing advances in Asia minor) and the Sasanid gains in the Levant and Egypt which they controlled for the better part of a decade. The current map just shows all gains during the war, not discerning between ephemeral ones and actual annexations.--Tataryn (talk) 18:36, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Some names of the cities and provinces are also wrong, plus the map doesn't really look that good. In a few months I will start making a completely new and detailed map, since I do not have time atm. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:53, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
*Sigh* You know it is normally that I don't get sucked into this kind of drama and I do intend to end this kind of stuff as soon as possible, but alas it seems that I have once again been thrusted in by association.

I went on to Oceanwhile's talk page discussing this. I know that the map doesn't look perfect, but in truth it is the best we have had and it has remained on this article for the past two years. This subject has been brought up time and time again and to no avail. It is an endless cycle. Apparently we can't have a map that you can simply make some changes to, we keep making another map and get into an argument about it that causes another map to be made.

This is something that has been going on ever since the article was created and it intensified heavily eight years ago. Take a look back at the archives from 2008, not 2007 all the way to 2014 and you will understand what I mean.

This is exactly what I told Oceanwhile last year and it was quickly resolved.

Make no mistake, I am NOT against making minor changes to the map, the names of the cities and provinces especially. I will contact HistoryofIran about this since I can easily make changes to the names of the cities and provinces of my map. Especially since mine was created via photoshop. It will be rather easy to do so.

In the meantime, let's not discuss this any further. The last thing we need is another reiteration of what has ensued for years. Kirby (talk) 02:10, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok everyone, I am back after a long talk with HistoryofIran. Short and to the point, I agreed to make a new map or as a Plan B, have the Map Workshop create a new one. Cheers! Kirby (talk) 23:36, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Kirby, your attitude is pretty presumptuous. Beginning a response with "*Sigh* ...normally... ...I don't get sucked into this kind of drama..." when editors are making note of the numerous mistakes on your map, is not proper at all. You're also in no place to say "let's not discuss this any further". As long as your map is in place with its many errors, people are free to make note of them and discuss them all they want. Fix your map or else I will have to make a new one.--Tataryn (talk) 04:51, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Alright Tataryn, I apologize for my rudeness. I've already begun fixing my map. It's taking a little while, only because high quality maps like these take really long to make and fix. But I am getting it done none of the less. I will update all of you when I am close to being done fixing my ma and again when the map is finished being redone. Cheers! Kirby (talk) 04:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Kirby: What's up? Are you soon done? Just curious. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:58, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm done re-adjusting the borders, still labeling the city and province names. The map will most likely be done by the end of the month. As I said before though, this map is taking a long time to get done. I'm mostly having a bit of trouble labeling all of the cities as of recent. Regardless, I'm working on it and I'm positive that by the end of this month. Cheers! :) Kirby (talk) 05:43, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
HistoryofIran I forgot to mention a few things, while I'm redoing my map, I have been labeling some city and province names in smaller font so they can fit in. I hope that's alright with you. On the eastern part of the map, I have been doing just fine labeling the cites and provinces. The only real trouble I've been running into lately is the names on the Sasanian-Byzantine border. Although this map is not accurate on the eastern portion of the empire as it does not show the eastern border being the oxus, it does show all of the cities and province names, minus the Byzantine provinces that were occupied: [https://27a0436a-a-ab15346e-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/umich.edu/imladjov/maps/SasanidEmpire590-628.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7crkCRYAt8TwSP_59f99thIU8pxHwDwFFFM6p-clzpLB6-3cS2CQqRKO8CRBkz1znYtTy1VwhQNtyLzYfEyVP56fTj4Pqeg7zFfb7l51j-I0JzpdTvi3WG5HAM5SE7AxwMRLWbu4GFOnQa8TPa7nfEfO9NjO7GHvh4Ky1wTi8Dw2Qz0X6OB_7sxQvFk6LCupCht6nP0c2lam2VvP54WmjFNkjcBe_7EP2j7tCoZK4k8gS30YS-Q%3D&attredirects=0

That's all for now. In the meantime, I'll be redoing the rest of my map. Regards. Kirby (talk) 06:24, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everyone! Been awhile. I am sorry for taking so long to make this map. There has been so much going on in my everyday livelyhood that has been getting in the way lately. But good news, the map is ready and has been put in the infobox. Now I will be updating the map even after I have uploaded it into the infobox.

If you are wondering why the province and city names are in smaller font, it's because I had to make them fit in the map since I will be adding more cities later on.

I hope everyone likes the new map. Cheers! Kirby (talk) 10:19, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alright everyone, I have recently returned to wikipedia and I thought I'd let you all in on what's been going on since July.
LouisArgon took my inaccurate 2.0 map that I made down with this statement Per HistoryofIran's talk page; this current version of the new map contains way too many fallacies. Reverted back until Keeby finishes his 2.0 version.
So as of today I had returned to Wikipedia to see that the map in the infobox that I created was nominated for deletion on Wikimedia commons for not providing a source in the description of it like how I did on Wikipedia.
Now it's true that the map is inaccurate and it needs to be redone, but I do believe that providing sources stalled the deletion discussion.
But its because of all of these dilemma's that I've felt no choice but to turn this over to the Graphists of the Map Workshop. I have given them all of the knowledge you and HistoryofIran gave to me.
Just as I told both LoisArgon [User:[HistoryofIran|HistoryofIran]] on his talk page, I encourage all of you to go and comment on there as well and give your two cents on the matter. Perhaps provide them with any information that you haven't given to me before about the Sasanian Empire at it's greatest extent.
Here's the link to the map workshop request: Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop#Sasanian_Empire_Map
Now if you all want to do an Rfc like two years ago for recommendations to the map workshop team, then by all means, I am in. :)
Regards and Cheers, Kirby (talk) 02:20, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regards, Kirby (talk) 02:20, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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@Jimmy Wales: And how did Arman ad60 make that request, exactly...? Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 18:24, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

war with axum

The war with axum section states that an Axumite name Abraha took over Yemen, and the throne eventually passes to his grandson Saif (Sayf), as a Sasanid vassal. Many other articles on wikipedia state that Saif was a Himyarite who, with Sasanid assistance, ended Axumite rule in Arabia. (Eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraha, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayf_ibn_Dhi-Yazan). This is the only article I see saying that Saif, who supposedly ended Axumite rule, was himself of Axumite extraction. Are these articles contradicting each other?

(Alternatively, it could be that Saif is of mixed extraction and different articles stress different parentage. Or that he is of Axumite extraction, but the kingdom Abraha installed in Arabia was considered distinct, non-Axumite.)Snarfblaat (talk) 02:18, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How did you guys decide what the name of this article would be?

In my experience, "Sassanid" is the most common form. 18:20, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Sasanian Empire/Archive 2#Requested move clpo13(talk) 18:22, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, Sassanid is the only name I ever knew of, same with the Sassanid dynasty. I fail to see a reason for the article not calling it that way as the most common English (and also other languages) form. 134.255.8.113 (talk) 13:28, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]