Crime and Criminal Biography: Terrorism

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• I have added Talk:2005 London bombing/MissingInfo for people to list bits that have been lost in the course of ongoing edits so they can be added back later if required. SimonLyall 7 July 2005 12:29 (UTC)

see Talk:Casualties of the 7 July 2005 London bombings Melchoir 20:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is it a Wikipedia standard to represent dates in the format 1 January rather than for example January 1 or 1st January ? Springald 19:43, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is a Wikipedia standard to follow relative local dating standards. This article refers to an event in the United Kingdom, so the UK format (dd/mm/yyyy) is used. The events of the eleventh day of September, 2001, in New York, are referred to in the US format (mm/dd/yyyy). Liam Plested 12:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1750139,00.html -- "attack was planned on a shoestring budget from information on the internet, that there was no 'fifth-bomber' and no direct support from al-Qaeda". Robneild 17:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved here, because it didn't fit and I didn't know where to put it:

01 March 2006. BBC News 22:30 PM The Metropolitan Police admit that it was a mistake to shut down the mobile telephone networks in the immediate aftermath of the July 7th attacks. This directly contradicts statements by the mobile telephone network operators and the Police at the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4763350.stm

"Metropolitan Police chief Sir Ian Blair has criticised his City of London colleagues for shutting down the mobile phone network on 7 July"

æle ✆ 2006-04-11t00:07z

As far as I know, the police have only ever referred to the 4 as suspects. There is no proof that they were the bombers, and there has never been any trial to (posthumously) convict them.

Therefore I inserted "alleged" or "suspected" before every reference to them, but someone has removed them.

Is it known that those 4 guys actually were the bombers? Where is the actual proof?

simon

• There is a lot of proof available in the public domain, check out the BBC website and you can watch through the eyes of the cctv camera's around the UK. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/london_blasts/investigation/html/introduction.stm. But post-mortem trials are not used in british law as far as i know,so they have not been tried and found guilty in a court.Hypnosadist 22:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are numerous verifiable references that call these 4 "bombers". Therefore it can be used as a term. Tyrenius 19:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"These attacks gave Britain a chance to impose new "anti-terror laws" that infact denied human beings many of their human rights."

I suggest that this line is clearly POV - or if not certainly needs to be expanded on.

I.E

What laws? Were they considered before 7/7? In what ways are they denying anyones human rights? Is the right to life, that is not to be blow up by terrorists, more important than any other right?

It certainly doesn't need to be part of the introduction, if the autor can substantiate this claim then it would certainly need its own section.

I tried to insert this under the historical comparisons section, considering it was committed by the Ulster Volunteer Force- a 'Terrorist' organisation operated and funded by Britons whose aim is to defeat the seperatist PIRA and maintain the union with Britain:

"1974 UVF bombings of Dublin & Monaghan (35 dead)"

The insert was promptly removed with the editor saying it is a UK only discussion. Though the article mentions Spain, Japan, and France in the context of underground attacks. Does this mean there is no space in the article for the WORST atrocity in the Troubles because the bombers who left the UK, carrying bombs made in UK, on the orders of UK citizens, ended up over the border in rushhour Dublin? Doesnt appear to make much sense. Fluffy999 14:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They were also the first suicide bombings ever carried out anywhere in Western Europe.

Not sure it is true. It is hard to prove and not sourced. --Philip Baird Shearer 09:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sourced. In any case tradition european terroists never really went in for sucide bombing.Geni 01:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article really needs updating to reflect the video that was released yesterday. (Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5156592.stm I would do it but I'm really not sure I'd be able to manage to keep it NPOV. --81.107.39.205 16:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiPedia Timelapse Added on March 18 -- 172.208.158.213 23:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is it necessary to say "Fifty-two people (all of them civilians)". I'm not denying that these people were civilians, but it seems unnecessary to me. The fact that it was a terrorist attack on a public transport network implies that they were civilians. If there had been an attempt to target non-civilians then perhaps we could go into more details but it just seems unnecessary to me. The Madrid bombing, Mumbai bombing and Bali bombing articles don't mention that they're civilians (well Bali does mention they're tourists but that's a significant fact). The September 11th attacks article does mention civilians but from a quick look through, it's primarily in relation to the military/political targets Nil Einne 17:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I concur that it's unnecessary, and removed it. -Aude (talk contribs) 17:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

93.114.74.2 has added the exact addresses occupied by three of the bombers and the postcode to the fourth, which already had the house number. I notice there is also a workplace listed for the relatives of one. While of course factually accurate, is this a very sensible thing to do? Nick Cooper 11:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]