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Hi there,

I wondered if it might be possible to add the following parameters to the existing template:

• Ethnicity - I'm currently working on an article about an Arawak artist from Guyana. So 'ethnicity' (as in Infobox person) would allow me to include the fact that this artist is Arawakan (and this is the main way in which he self-identifies) whereas Nationality alone does not.

• Additional occupations - The artist I am writing about is both an artist and an archaeologist, and has achieved recognition in both professions. I'm sure it's fairly common for artists to have more than one occupation that features importantly in their lives...

Thank you!

Loriski (talk) 14:29, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It would be better if this template had the embed parameter, like in {{Infobox military person}}, to be used with {{Infobox person}}. Blond (talk) 08:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've put what I think is the appropriate amendment into the sandbox. It could do with testing. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:58, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: I've deactivated the edit request for now, but feel free to reactivate after you are sure this has been tested properly. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 11:45, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

your suggestion, Redrose64, looks correct to me. Frietjes (talk) 01:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --Redrose64 (talk) 09:50, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the signature parameter that was included in Template:Infobox writer could be included in this one, too? Michaelm55 (talk) 16:35, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This has been discussed in the past and decided against by consensus...Modernist (talk) 16:42, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, ok. Well, it was worth a shot. :) Michaelm55 (talk) 16:48, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

see the most recent thread from about three years ago. Frietjes (talk) 19:16, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks Frietjes. I'll be sure to read that in my spare time. Michaelm55 (talk) 14:40, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

change the word patrons in infobox to the word collections

Biirdy (talk) 03:41, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before posting an edit request. This change might be controversial, as it would change the meaning of the field, and if we changed the parameter name it would break existing transclusions that use it. If you want this change to be implemented, I suggest you do the following:

1. Make a new post below outlining exactly why you want to make this change
2. Leave a post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts notifying the editors there about this discussion
3. Wait for posts here from other editors

If there is a consensus to make this change among the editors that comment here after, say, seven days, then please reactivate the {{edit protected}} template and someone will make the change for you. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 09:08, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pleas add the signature parameter from {{Infobox person}}. It should simply be copy-pastable. I uploaded File:Alfons Mucha signature from letter.jpg, only to find I can't actually use it in the inbox at Alfons Mucha. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 17:19, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

please read thread 1 and thread 2 and the thread about two sections above this one. Frietjes (talk) 18:01, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm surprised there's no parameter for "Parents" or "Children", for Infobox creators to infill or leave blank according to relevance. Many artists are the offspring of equally famous artists. I think the additional parameter could be very useful, to help summarise important relationships at-a-glance. Note how, given no such optional parameters to use, the creator(s) of Hans Holbein the Younger had to use the "Influenced by" paramemeter to get his elder namesake in! Influenced by his dad, well well! Similarly Hans Holbein the Elder's Infobox says he "influenced" Hans Holbein the Younger and Ambrosius Holbein, although you have to read the full article to find they were his sons! Other families who could benefit from the extra Infobox parameter(s) are the Freuds (Lucien Freud and Jane McAdam Freud, the Nicholsons [[painters Sir William Nicholson and Mabel Pryde, with children including artist Ben Nicholson, artist Nancy Nicholson and architect Christopher Nicholson), the Berninis (Gian Lorenzo Bernini and author son Domenico Bernini), the Breugels (Pieter Bruegel the Elder and sons - their father apparently died too young to "influence" them, and thus that parameter if used would have to state their grandmother, artist Mayken Verhulst!). Artistic relatives are rarer than theatrical relatives, but they do exist! With no optional extra "relatives" parameters there's a potential for inconsistency, too. Take the Renoirs for example: Pierre-Auguste Renoir's "artist" Infobox has no "children" parameter and yet his children, filmmaker Jean Renoir and actor Pierre Renoir, have "person" Infoboxes that can include their "father" whenenever anyone desires to expand them from basic to full parameter boxes. Are artists' box "parents/children" paramemeters forbidden or deprecated, or are editors allowed the discretion of adding particular parents or children to the artist Infobox wherever it seems appropriate or useful? Pete Hobbs (talk) 19:11, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

indeed, this was requested before. Frietjes (talk) 19:44, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What nonsense! The "influence" field is one of the problems of this box, very often badly misleading, or filled up with long lists of dubious modern people in fields like music & literature who one said in an interview they liked the artist (try William Blake). Pieter Brueghel the Younger, one of two artist sons of P the Elder, did little else but copy his father's works, and telling them apart still gives difficulties. The more parameters you add the more people will fill them up, adding bloat & clutter but what is in most cases not very crucial information. Johnbod (talk) 15:56, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Johnbod that "The more parameters you add the more people will fill them up, adding bloat & clutter but what is in most cases not very crucial information." I also agree that "The 'influence' field is one of the problems of this box, very often badly misleading…" I find the Infoboxes problematic. They require the simplistic filling in of fields where information is nuanced. The body of the article has to be read to convey information in context, except for those aspects of information that lend themselves to simple presentation. Bus stop (talk) 19:48, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This infobox is being used on Gilbert & George and, no doubt, for other partnerships and collectives. We either need a separate "Infobox art collective" or, perhaps better, to add a |members= parameter to this one. The presence of the latter could then be used as a switch for other properties which may or may not be appropriate in such circumstances. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:32, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]