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Hi {{u|Mathmo}}, we seem to be overlapping a bit in our edits about Gaines stating she was struck twice versus content stating she "was assaulted", e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Riley_Gaines&diff=prev&oldid=1148906088&diffmode=source], but with reference to [[WP:RSP]], sources such as the ''Reason'' commentary, ''The Daily Telegraph'' and [[WP:NEWSWEEK]] are not the [[WP:BIASED|best possible sources]] available, so it seems best, per [[WP:NPOV]], including [[WP:WIKIVOICE]], to use the best-sourced content we currently have available, which seems to be based on Gaines' statements at this time. Thank you, [[User:Beccaynr|Beccaynr]] ([[User talk:Beccaynr|talk]]) 01:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC) |
Hi {{u|Mathmo}}, we seem to be overlapping a bit in our edits about Gaines stating she was struck twice versus content stating she "was assaulted", e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Riley_Gaines&diff=prev&oldid=1148906088&diffmode=source], but with reference to [[WP:RSP]], sources such as the ''Reason'' commentary, ''The Daily Telegraph'' and [[WP:NEWSWEEK]] are not the [[WP:BIASED|best possible sources]] available, so it seems best, per [[WP:NPOV]], including [[WP:WIKIVOICE]], to use the best-sourced content we currently have available, which seems to be based on Gaines' statements at this time. Thank you, [[User:Beccaynr|Beccaynr]] ([[User talk:Beccaynr|talk]]) 01:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:[[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources]] says [[The Daily Telegraph]] is listed as a good source, which is why I added it. I used [[Newsweek]], but see it's listed as disputed, so I'm not trying add it back when removed. The Telegraph (aka The Daily Telegraph) [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/04/07/biden-proposal-lets-us-schools-ban-some-trans-athletes/ made] an explicit statement of fact about the assault, and about being forced to be barricaded in a room. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Riley_Gaines&oldid=1148916960 current] wording implies that it was just the police putting her in the room (not the protesters). But, if you read the body of the article [https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/riley-gaines-speech-san-francisco-state-university-17884740.php Anti-Lia Thomas activist whisked away by police amid protest at San Francisco State] by SFGate, you'll see it says "''In one video, protesters can be seen discussing conditions under which they’d let Gaines leave.''". So, the SF Gate article, despite being critical of Gaines politically, actually confirms that she was forced to be in the room. It goes further than the Telegraph, by making clearer that it was the protesters keeping her there. This is a widely witnessed, filmed, and covered event. We shouldn't just be implying that it was just Gaines making a claim, as the current wording does. We should state the facts, as reported by reliable sources. It's also worth noting, that while not all sources confirm all the facts as facts, I don't see any reliable source refuting the claim of facts of The Telegraph. So, I think the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Riley_Gaines&oldid=1148897306 version] that said "''According to The Telegraph, Gaines was physically assaulted and forced to barricade herself inside a room.''" was absolutely correct. --05:05, 9 April 2023 (UTC) |
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Hi Mathmo, we seem to be overlapping a bit in our edits about Gaines stating she was struck twice versus content stating she "was assaulted", e.g. [1], but with reference to WP:RSP, sources such as the Reason commentary, The Daily Telegraph and WP:NEWSWEEK are not the best possible sources available, so it seems best, per WP:NPOV, including WP:WIKIVOICE, to use the best-sourced content we currently have available, which seems to be based on Gaines' statements at this time. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 01:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources says The Daily Telegraph is listed as a good source, which is why I added it. I used Newsweek, but see it's listed as disputed, so I'm not trying add it back when removed. The Telegraph (aka The Daily Telegraph) made an explicit statement of fact about the assault, and about being forced to be barricaded in a room. The current wording implies that it was just the police putting her in the room (not the protesters). But, if you read the body of the article Anti-Lia Thomas activist whisked away by police amid protest at San Francisco State by SFGate, you'll see it says "In one video, protesters can be seen discussing conditions under which they’d let Gaines leave.". So, the SF Gate article, despite being critical of Gaines politically, actually confirms that she was forced to be in the room. It goes further than the Telegraph, by making clearer that it was the protesters keeping her there. This is a widely witnessed, filmed, and covered event. We shouldn't just be implying that it was just Gaines making a claim, as the current wording does. We should state the facts, as reported by reliable sources. It's also worth noting, that while not all sources confirm all the facts as facts, I don't see any reliable source refuting the claim of facts of The Telegraph. So, I think the version that said "According to The Telegraph, Gaines was physically assaulted and forced to barricade herself inside a room." was absolutely correct. --05:05, 9 April 2023 (UTC)