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::Youtube is about as reliable a source as there is when it comes to determining who sings the leads in concert. [[User:TimothyHorrigan|Timothy Horrigan]] ([[User talk:TimothyHorrigan|talk]]) 16:02, 27 February 2023 (UTC) |
::Youtube is about as reliable a source as there is when it comes to determining who sings the leads in concert. [[User:TimothyHorrigan|Timothy Horrigan]] ([[User talk:TimothyHorrigan|talk]]) 16:02, 27 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*In order to avoid cluttering the table, members should only be listed by their primary instruments. If a member normally plays, say, bass guitar, but for one song on one album, also played glockenspiel, then it really isn't worth it to list them on the members table as playing that instrument. It's not supposed to be a complete list of every credit they've ever received, only their primary instruments (or singing parts, as necessary). That Cain sings the occasional song as a lead vocalist doesn't mean they should be listed as such in the members section; only if that was a major role for them. Which it isn't. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC) |
*In order to avoid cluttering the table, members should only be listed by their primary instruments. If a member normally plays, say, bass guitar, but for one song on one album, also played glockenspiel, then it really isn't worth it to list them on the members table as playing that instrument. It's not supposed to be a complete list of every credit they've ever received, only their primary instruments (or singing parts, as necessary). That Cain sings the occasional song as a lead vocalist doesn't mean they should be listed as such in the members section; only if that was a major role for them. Which it isn't. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::Agreed. [[User:Dave Golland|Dave Golland]] ([[User talk:Dave Golland|talk]]) 12:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC) |
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the other lawsuits in the 2020-present section
can we please add the other lawsuits that happened? we had the steve smith & ross valory lawsuit. then the Steve Perry lawsuit. Then the Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain credit card lawsuit followed shortly by the very recent cease and desist. these lawsuits are very recent and they're not on the site 72.66.45.99 (talk) 07:58, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- If there can be sources found to support them, then yes. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Gregg Rolie: Member or special guest?
I'll start. If I had to guess, it's going to be something like Bernie Leadon's recent appearances with Eagles. They'll trot him out to play on some of the songs he played on and then send him backstage for the rest of the show. He won't be a full member again. - Immigrant laborer (talk) 16:17, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- I would add to this, stating if there is general proof that Gregg has returned to the band as a current member, it would have to have numerous multiple reliable sources that are covering on it. So far, the only sources I have seen are Neal Schon announcing that he would be joining "for the tour". If he is joining for the tour, that does not make him a current member again as I have the feeling that editors placing his name in current, are only reading the headline and not the source in-depth. However, if they do have a source that proves he is returning to the band, then they should present them here. HorrorLover555 (talk) 18:08, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- With two recent sources from yesterday, Schon already gave the news that Rolie will not be joining the band on tour.
- Fooks, Todd (January 17, 2023). "Now Neal Schon Says Original Journey Keyboardist Gregg Rolie Won't Be Part of 50th Anniversary Tour". Loudwire.
- "Neal Schon Now Says Gregg Rolie Won't Be Part Of Journey's Upcoming Tour". Blabbermouth.net. January 17, 2023.
- With the recent news in regarding Gregg Rolie joining the band on tour or not, the back-and-forth additions of Gregg Rolie as a member should come to a halt. HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Jonathan Cain, lead vocals
The members section seems to list Jonathan Cain with backing and lead vocals. The only justification I have got is from HorrorLover555 who said "Cain has done lead vocals on an album." but so has Schon, on two Next and Generations. Any live videos of Cain singing in concerts would be justification. 80s Sam (talk) 22:18, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- Listing Beal Schon as a lead vocalist would be OK, I think. Just speaking for myself, I got no problem with that. Judging by videos from the most recent tours, drummer Deen Castronovo and keyboardist Jason Derlatka also sing leads on occasion as well. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 03:09, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- The thing is, YouTube is not a reliable source for coverage on it per WP:RSPYT due to unverifiability, unless it is a video uploaded from the official band channel. I still stand with what I said, as Cain has performed lead vocals on Generations, and yes, Schon has too - so would it more count as "occasional lead vocals" for both? HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:27, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- Youtube is about as reliable a source as there is when it comes to determining who sings the leads in concert. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 16:02, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- In order to avoid cluttering the table, members should only be listed by their primary instruments. If a member normally plays, say, bass guitar, but for one song on one album, also played glockenspiel, then it really isn't worth it to list them on the members table as playing that instrument. It's not supposed to be a complete list of every credit they've ever received, only their primary instruments (or singing parts, as necessary). That Cain sings the occasional song as a lead vocalist doesn't mean they should be listed as such in the members section; only if that was a major role for them. Which it isn't. --Jayron32 16:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Agreed. Dave Golland (talk) 12:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

