Talk:Vladimir the Great


Name of Volodymyr

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Why he called in wiki Vladimir??? In old east Slavic he was called: Володимѣръ Свѧтославичь, Volodiměrъ Svętoslavičь So we need to rename it into Volodimer, Volodymyr, or something like that. There's no "Vlad" in his real name. 91.199.245.2 (talk) 15:45, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because he's a major figure in Russian history, and old spellings or Ukrainian conventions were, until lately, deemed unimportant? Svartalf (talk) 15:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me,he has nothing to do with Russia.Russia hijacked Ukrainian history once again.The fact that Russians especially Putin with coming to power burned history books and rewrote everything to his liking doesn’t make Volodymyr the Great Russian figure.It’s wrong in every single level. Irishka1515 (talk) 22:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing? You sure? So ruling a state literally called "Russia" is not enough of a connection?
Ukraine once again is hijacking Russian history.
The fact that Ukraine after it's independence burned history books and and rewrote everything to their liking doesn't make Vladimir the Great a Ukrainian figure. It is wrong on absolutely every single level 2A02:8108:8A80:753A:6BEE:5DC2:DCD6:F59 (talk) 00:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it must be Uladzimir to stop Russian and Ukrainian chauvinism. Mellk (talk) 23:13, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Those Ukrainian spellings are still deemed "unimportant" at this English wikipedia. It's what's used in English sources that matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fyunck(click) (talk • contribs) 23:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You are absolutely right.It seams that Russian wrote the original page and once again trying to hijack the history of Ukraine.He is sure Volodymyr and not Vladimir,it’s even shown the proper in old Slavic language as Volodymyr but yet another Russian is writing Russian way portraying him as Russian when in reality he has nothing to do with Moskovia who took its roots from the Golden Horde.Sad!!! Irishka1515 (talk) 22:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So true. Now tell us a story about how ancient Ukrainians dug the Black Sea out with spoons. 62.12.83.152 (talk) 21:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely wrong. It seems a lot of Ukrainians can't accept proper history and are once again hijacking Russian history. He is definetly Vladimir and not Volodymyr. It's even shown in proper East Slavic as Vladimir but yet another Ukrainian is writing the Ukrainian modern way portraying him as Ukrainian when in reality he has nothing to do with Malorussia who took their roots from the Golden Horde. Sad!! 2A02:8108:8A80:753A:6BEE:5DC2:DCD6:F59 (talk) 00:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
His name was most certainly Volodymyr, and it's Russia that hijacks Ukrainian history. Even the very name "Russia" was stolen by Moscow during the reign of Ivan the Terrible. — Red XIV (talk) 17:49, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Old east Slavic is Владимиръ 2A02:8108:8A80:753A:6BEE:5DC2:DCD6:F59 (talk) 00:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The Roman Catholic Church does not consider him as a saint.

The Latin rite of the Catholic Church does not consider Vladimir the great as a saint. Only the Eastern Ruthenian Catholic Churches consider him as a saint.

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15497a.htm EXANXC (talk) 16:16, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't stated anywhere in the source you linked, which is the Catholic Encyclopedia and has titled the article "St. Vladimir the Great", which would appear to contradict your claim.--Ermenrich (talk) 16:38, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to the last part of that article, "His feast is celebrated on 15 July in the Russian Orthodox and Ruthenian Greek Catholic calendars"
It contains no information about the Latin Church venerating him. EXANXC (talk) 07:53, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He's in the Roman Martyrology under July 15. Srnec (talk) 18:07, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here’s two reliable sources: I. and II. to supplement those websites. Raulois (talk) 20:17, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2024

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Well,this whole entire post is wrong and looks like it was written by someone with Russian origin as there is a lot of words spelled Russian way instead of Ukrainian,including the correct spelling of Volodymyr not Vladimir as well as spelling Kiev instead of correct way of Kyiv.Let me point it out thaf Kyivan Rus is now Ukraine not Russia,what year was Kyiv founded vs Moskovia.This is very insulting to every Ukrainian that people like you hijack their history. Irishka1515 (talk) 22:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also see WP:COMMONNAME or take a peek at the archives of this talk page Cannolis (talk) 22:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, the modern Ukrainian spelling is not the correct one. The correct spelling of Vladimir is not Volodymyr as well as incorrect spelling of Kiev as Kyiv. Let me point out that Kievan Rus is now Russia and not Ukraine, what were the first 2 capitals again? This is very insulting to every historian and Russian that people like you hijack their history. RumyantsevPolkovodets (talk) 12:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's literally Володимѣръ (Volodimer) in the chronicles. Xpoback (talk) 16:45, 30 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Which language did he speak?

In order to be more properly encyclopedic, shouldn't we add which language Vladimir the Great spoke to this article? Was it Old Norse or some Slavic language? 76.190.213.189 (talk) 01:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Old Ukraininian (Ruthenian) Thekyrman (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong old east Slavic. 91.106.124.226 (talk) 08:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect name on the page.

Calling Kyivan prince Vladimir incorrect. In languages that were spoken at the time he was alive, he was never called like that. He was called Volodimer, Valdamarr etc, but not Vladimir. Kyrylo Schwydkyj (talk) 12:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We are interested only in what he is called in English, not in medieval languages. Dimadick (talk) 17:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So you're in favor of a falscificated name? Kyrylo Schwydkyj (talk) 20:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are in favor of English sources. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How typical! 64.35.203.197 (talk) 01:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, you're in favor of falscificated names. Kyrylo Schwydkyj (talk) 16:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No but you are RumyantsevPolkovodets (talk) 12:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Medieval Latin Vladimirus, name of several saints in the Eastern Orthodox Church, from Old East Slavic Володимѣръ (Volodiměrŭ), Old Church Slavonic Владимѣръ (Vladiměrŭ), from Proto-Slavic *Voldiměrъ (which see for more) [...] Compare Waldemar."
From the English Wiktionary entry for Vladimir. As you see he was called Vladimir in medieval Latin and Old Church Slavonic with the "Vlad" component. In other languages there is / was a "Vald" component. And in yet more languages there is the "Volod" component. Hell, some Latin variations even drop the V entirely and turn it into "Lodo" (see Lodomeria). Saying any of these variants is wrong because they weren't used historically is nonsense. As for why the "Vlad" component is chosen out of all historical examples, other users have repeatedly pointed it out: it's the most common name in English sources. Blaming Russia for that is stupid, btw, since it could very well be from Latin. Just because it's used in a language you hate doesn't mean it's wrong or bad or that everyone else has to conform to your wishes. 62.12.83.152 (talk) 21:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah Waldemar is not Volodymyr.
The Old East Slavic name was Владимиръ (Vladimir).
Same in Old Church Slavonic, Proro-Slavic "Vladimer".
Source: Senderovich, Savely (2007). "К истории восточнославянского имени Владимир" (PDF). Славяноведение. 2: 10. RumyantsevPolkovodets (talk) 12:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Calling a Kievan Prince Volodymyr is incorrect. In languages that were spoken at the time he was alive, he was never called like that. He was called Vladimir, Valdamarr etc, but not Volodymyr.
Source: Senderovich, Savely (2007). "К истории восточнославянского имени Владимир" (PDF). Славяноведение. 2: 10. RumyantsevPolkovodets (talk) 12:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2024

Please replace all instances of "Kiev" with "Kyiv" throughout the article to reflect the modern and correct spelling of the Ukrainian capital. This change aligns with Wikipedia's naming conventions and current usage standards. Piemoon407 (talk) 08:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would be against consensus and sources. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There’re users (like dimadick) who find the Ukrainian spellings in themselves to be russophobic. So I don’t think the problem with article being ridden with wrong namings can be solved without appealing to neutral non-russophilic users with mod privileges. 2A02:8109:A1A3:2500:8D9C:5A5:436C:86F (talk) 08:45, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The title name should be Volodymyr

According to Old East Slavic language, it was correct and close to Ukrainian romanised given name Volodymyr, not Vladimir, which is fully just a Russian romanised name, that is too far from original one. Valentyn Holod (talk) 15:20, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As people above have pointed out, he was referred to as Володимѣръ (Volodiměrŭ) in Old East Slavic and Владимѣръ (Vladiměrŭ) in Old Church Slavic. The Modern Ukrainian, as you point out, is Володимир (Volodymyr). All ultimately descend from the same proto-slavic root, and the difference is for much the same reason as why we get Врата/Ворота in the same.
However, none of this matters for the title of the article, as English Wikipedia's rules say the title should be based on the most common English usage. This is true for all English articles: It is why we have Turkey instead of Türkiye, Alfred the Great instead of Ælfrǣd, Nicolaus Copernicus instead of Mikołaj Kopernik, and so on. Basically, to make the change, you have to establish that it is the form that is used most often in English. Oftentimes, the common form comes from a colonial language: The names of Kings of Scotland are given in English rather than Gaelic or Scots. For the rules on this, see WP:COMMONNAME. ~2025-38985-53 (talk) 03:22, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kyivan Rus and Volodymyr the Great

Kyivan Rus and Volodymyr the Great are foundational names of what eventually arose as Ukraine Russia and Belarus. Why is Wikipedia adopting the Russian spelling? Alex Fornal (talk) 14:12, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because the common English name is Vladimir and we follow WP:KIEV. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:33, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Ealdgyth, noted. But surely this is changing? Already in common vocabulary, for example, English speakers, news reports etc etc all refer to Kyiv rather than Kiev which is in process of being superseded. At what point do we revisit these questions and acknowledge that English mannerisms have changed?? ~2025-40201-20 (talk) 14:41, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just a recent propagandistic spike in Mainstream Western media trying to appease Ukrainian goverment;
Kiev and Vladimir are centuries old English/French/Western notations for that historial period. So, that's why Zelensky is Volodymyr, while Kievan Rus rulers are Vladimirs. ~2026-41024-4 (talk) 19:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I am not politicising this as you are. I am making reference to the increasing usage of the term Kyivan Rus. I asked Google AI the question: What term do historians use more commonly, Kyivan Rus or Kievan Rus? The answer it gave was:
In modern English-language historical literature, Kievan Rus' is historically more common and remains widely used in textbooks and older, established literature because it is derived from the Russian-influenced spelling (Kiev) prevalent in Western academia during the 20th century.
However, there is a strong, rapid shift in recent academic, media, and official usage toward Kyivan Rus'. This shift reflects the adoption of Ukrainian-based transliterations (Kyiv) rather than Russian-based ones (Kiev), emphasizing the connection to the modern capital of Ukraine.
Key Details on Usage Trends:
Kievan Rus' (Traditional): Introduced into English in the early 20th century (often seen in the 1913 translation of Klyuchevsky's A History of Russia), it became standard for distinguishing the early medieval state (9th–13th centuries) from later, separate Rus' principalities.
Kyivan Rus' (Modern/Current): Increasingly used to reflect the Ukrainian origin of the state's center, differentiating it from Russian historical narratives that view the state as the direct predecessor of modern Russia.
"Rus'": Many historians prefer simply using "Rus'" or "the Rus' Land" (Old East Slavic: Ruskaya zemlya), as this is how the inhabitants referred to themselves, avoiding the later 19th-century geographical qualifiers.
In summary: While Kievan Rus' still appears frequently in older literature, Kyivan Rus' is becoming the preferred, more academically accurate spelling in modern English writing to reflect the historical and geographical context of the state's capital. ~2025-40201-20 (talk) 19:40, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
But while English spelling in recent years has moved to Kyiv rather than Kiev, the common pronunciation hasn't really changed from key-Ev'. No one pronounces it Key-ju or Key-you as they do in Ukraine. And Keeve is just wrong... I have no idea what knucklehead on the news got that started. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:13, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
allikas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vladimir_the_Great