Talk:Scandinavia

Scandinavian

In the section Different meanings of the term Scandinavian (permalink) there's the following text:

In the ethnic or cultural sense the term Scandinavian traditionally refers to speakers of Scandinavian languages, who are mainly descendants of the peoples historically known as Norsemen, but also to some extent of immigrants and others who have been assimilated into that culture and language. In this sense the term refers primarily to native Danes, Norwegians and Swedes as well as descendants of Scandinavian settlers such as the Icelanders and the Faroese. The term is also used in this ethnic sense, to refer to the modern descendants of the Norse, in studies of linguistics and culture.[ WP:REFBOMB ]

The references give examples of usage, but do not actually discuss the term at any length. There's nothing about immigrants and assimilation. This seems like original research. The next paragraph is bit similar, giving a commentary about short dictionary definitions.

Then there's a paragraph about Sami peoples, specifically about the term 'Scandinavian' being applied to them. I skimmed the first reference, and found no discussion at all about the term 'Scandinavian'. The second reference I cannot fully access, but I suspect the same is true there. At least the snippets in Google Books don't give relevant results for 'Scandinavian'.

To me it seems better to discuss Scandinavia and Scandinavian simultaneously, without devoting a separate section for the adjective. Especially if the section is difficult to source. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the section appears to be largely WP:OR and is anyway fairly muddled. I'm not what, if anything, is rescueable. Pincrete (talk) 08:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The references to the section show that the settlers in Iceland and the Faroe Islands originated from Scandinavia. But they don't show that Iceland and the Faroe Islands are part of Scandinavia. This is similar to suggesting that the USA is part of Europe, because most of the current population has European ancestry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.23.239.207 (talk) 03:21, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are not universally accepted as part of Scandinavia, which the article makes quite clear I would think. TylerBurden (talk) 20:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a misunderstanding. Similar to that England does not include Wales. And of course annoying for us who live there. Please refer to the Nordic Countries when that is what you are referring to. Scandinavia is not the Nordic Countries. ~2025-41030-37 (talk) 02:31, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure what you are asking for, the article does explain the difference. TylerBurden (talk) 03:49, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Similar to that England does not include Wales, not in any context I know of certainly, but in certain contexts Ireland IS part of the British Isles (much to the annoyance of Irish people and confusion of UK people). Tectonic plates and weather patterns are no respecters of national sensitivities, so geologists and meteorologists still use the older term. Similarly 'Balkan' has precise geographic boundaries (Balkan mountain range) , but it also has historical definitions (Ottoman Europe), and sometimes a slightly perjorative use to describe a large swathe of southern Europe, which is geographically European, but has not always been seen as culturally so. That to me is similar to the various uses in English of 'Scandinavian', (except 'Scandinavian' isn't usually perjorative). Pincrete (talk) 11:25, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unhelpful infobox image

The satellite photograph that is the current infobox image is not helpful at all. Even with prior knowledge of the region, it's impossible to distinguish cloud cover from snow to come up with a meaningful understanding of what Scandinavia is from that photo. A map would be much more useful. 38.49.72.163 (talk) 07:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Areas of Meänkieli and Kven

@Pincrete: regarding this diff. Dialect is ok, but the language area descriptions are off. Swedish Lapland does not include a significant part of Torne Valley where Meänkieli is spoken. The language area would coincide better with Norrbotten County, if an exact link is preferable. "Norwegian Lapland" on the other hand is a nonstandard and ambiguous term. Here it would be better to just remove the piping since fi:Ruija (Kven area) mostly coincides with Finnmark. 82.203.162.80 (talk) 03:19, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Given that this article isn't about Meänkieli and Kven and that anyway it would be unusual for any language or dialect's usage to be strictly geographically defined, I thought that the addition of the word 'mainly' before the two areas was the simplest way of 'balancing' 'helpfulness' (to the reader), with accuracy and completeness of info. If there is a better way of achieving this, propose it, but remember that all our info has to be verifiable by reliable sources. You probably know a great deal more than me about this topic, but I tend to fulfil the role of copy-editor on this article. Pincrete (talk) 03:49, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with Meänkieli was that the earlier description of Swedish Lapland excluded most of Torne Valley, the primary area where the language is spoken. I've now added sources, and the description is directly based on them. 130.234.120.6 (talk) 12:16, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Typo? "Scadinavia"

Found this in the fourth paragraph of History 47.221.192.136 (talk) 16:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's the form of the word used at the time Pincrete (talk) 10:50, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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