Talk:List of genocides

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 December 2025

As a history academic, in the list of genocides, I see the mention of the genocide of the Native American populations isn't mentioned, although it is one of the largest, most forgotten ones in history, amounting to a death toll of more than 55 million people. Please consult this academic article for more information: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/385303791_Forgetting_the_Native_American_Genocide_over_55_million_dead_Article_by_Raffaella_MilandriC

I would request to kindly add this important piece of historical data to the chart.

Best regards Archosaur96 (talk) 18:51, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Currently, they are listed individually. Additionally, the cited source doesn't support what you write, it says, "This means that some 55 million people died from wars, violence and unprecedented pathogens such as smallpox, measles and influenza'." While some disease- and war-related deaths could conceivably be attributed to genocide, it's WP:OR to assume these are all genocide deaths. (t · c) buIdhe 21:18, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Currently the Trail of Tears and the California genocide are included as entries. If there are any other specific cases you believe should be included, please suggest them along with academic sources that conclude they are cases of genocide. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 12:06, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've now gone through all issues of the Journal of Genocide Research, here are the articles I could identify that deal with the genocide of Indigenous peoples by the United States which are not covered by the California genocide and the Trail of Tears.
-- Cdjp1 (talk) 10:01, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 December 2025

I Would like to edit the darfur 2003-2005 genocide deaths edit which currently innacuratly states a maxiumum of 500 thousand, when all reliable sources suggest a maximum death toll of only up to 300 thousand were killed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jedorton2 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The 500,000 estimate is cited to Eric Reeves. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 00:25, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is an incongruence as Reeves is not cited in the main article. While Reeves does cite and support his arguments with other published research, Reeves himself is a SPS. I can't comment as to whether he meets the criteria for EXPERTSPS. I'm digging through some more recent academically published books to see what numbers they have published. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:02, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't seem like a strong source to me. (t · c) buIdhe 17:05, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Darfur Genocide. (2022). In T.J. Stapleton (Ed.). Modern African Conflicts: An Encyclopedia of Civil Wars, Revolutions, and Terrorism (pp. 106–107). Santa Barbara: ABC-CLIO. By 2008, the UN estimated that between 200,000 and 300,000 people had died in Darfur
  • Save Darfur Coalition. (2020). In A. Herr (Ed.). Darfur Genocide: The Essential Reference Guide (pp. 126–127). Santa Barbara, California: ABC-CLIO. In spite of the wide publicity that the Save Darfur Coalition has brought to the conflict in Darfur, the organization also has drawn criticism for its aggressive campaigns, including ads in the United States and the United Kingdom that reported a death toll at 400,000 people since 2003. (Although the complexity of such crises complicates accurate casualty counts, conservative estimates at that time had placed the number of deaths closer to 200,000.)
  • Darfur. (2020). In A. Herr (Ed.). Darfur Genocide: The Essential Reference Guide (pp. 38–40). Santa Barbara, California: ABC-CLIO. The ethnic warfare in Darfur has killed at least 300,000 people since 2003.
  • Sudan. (2020). In A. Herr (Ed.). Darfur Genocide: The Essential Reference Guide (pp. 132–135). Santa Barbara, California: ABC-CLIO. To date, it is estimated that at least 400,000 people have been murdered. Some 3 million persons have been forced from their villages, and more than 225,000 have fled to Chad, a neighboring state. The killings, rapes, ethnic cleansing, and expulsions have been inflicted largely by the Janjaweed, seminomadic and nomadic Arab Muslim herders from northern Sudan. They have been accused of genocide by killing, raping, and expelling 134great numbers with the connivance of the Sudanese government.
  • Uscinski, Joseph, Michael S. Rocca, Gabriel R. Sanchez, and Marina Brenden. “Congress and Foreign Policy: Congressional Action on the Darfur Genocide.” PS: Political Science and Politics 42, no. 3 (2009): 489–96. http://www.jstor.org/stable/40647645. As ofJanuary 2008, more than 400,000 people have been killed and more than 2.5 million people have been displaced in the regions of Darfur and Chad.
  • hagan, john. “Voices of the Darfur Genocide.” Contexts 10, no. 3 (2011): 22–28. http://www.jstor.org/stable/41960228. And today there isincreasing convergence in the estimates of the mortality from various sources in Darfur, in the range of 200,000 to 400,000 deaths.
  • Bartrop, P.R. (2014). The Darfur Genocide. In Encountering Genocide: Personal Accounts from Victims, Perpetrators, and Witnesses (pp. 281–290). Santa Barbara: ABC-CLIO. http://dx.doi.org/10.5040/9798400645471.ch-010 By 2006, estimates of those killed ranged upward to 400,000, with over 2 million Darfuris internally displaced and another 250,000 uprooted to refugee camps in Chad.
Just from a quick scrape. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:16, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Combine soviet famines?

We already combined NKVD mass killings and Soviet population transfers; in this case both the holodomor and Kazakh famine were part of the Soviet famine of 1930–1933. The entries are pretty duplicative as the same arguments apply as to whether it was genocide or not. (t · c) buIdhe 01:09, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Blindlynx: I've removed Kazakhstan for now, as of the three academic sources provided, Getty & Manning do not call it genocide, Pianciola does call it genocide, and Abylkhozhin, B. Zh. et al. only seems to exist as a physical book that I can't access so I can't verify directly whether they call it genocide, but per this blog post at SciencesPo, Abylkhozhin does consider it genocide. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 09:32, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Potential sources:
-- Cdjp1 (talk) 09:40, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cdjp1 thanks. I was mostly going off of the existing article for it, I'll try to find more sources. —blindlynx 12:27, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Going off of Richter's (2020) "Famine, Memory, and Politics in the Post-Soviet Space" from the main article, there does seem to be a disparity in the available literature, where for the Holodomor, due to the campaign for recognition there has been a lot written about it and analysing it as genocide, where as for the Kazakh case there was no such campaign, so there is little written on analysing it as genocide. But, considering that we then have a chapter in The Cambridge World History of Genocide (2023) discussing it, if that chapter calls it a case of genocide (I've not read the chapter yet), that would be a big plus for inclusion.
On Buidhe's suggestion, I don't know what would be the best case if Kazakhstan is added back in, so I will simply defer to whatever decision others make. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 12:41, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The chapter compares it to the Holdo but doesn't explicitly call it genocide.
[1] this is a good analysis of sources that comes to the conclusion it was defiantly a 'cultural genocide' but leaves it being a 'genocide' more open.
i'm hesitant to merge because even though the arguments are similar the circumstances are not, for other events we tend to divide out entries by the group targeted—blindlynx 19:03, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So browsing through a scrape of potential sources:
  • Berikbol Dukeyev (19 Sep 2025): Genocide or Not? The 1931–1933 Famine in the Collective Memories of Kazakhstan's Post-Independence Generations, Journal of Genocide Research, DOI: 10.1080/14623528.2025.2561440 - The Presidium (12 November 1991–12 November 1992), comprising twenty members including officials and historians, worked for over a year to conclude that the famine had been a “manifestation of genocide policy” based on the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide adopted by the UN General Assembly., also states that Director of Kazakhstan Risk Assessment Group and a member of the presidium of the Kazakhstan Council on International Relations Dosym Satpaev Satpaev actively campaigned for the famine to be acknowledged as genocide and facilitated the translation and publication of Sarah Cameron's seminal work, The Hungry Steppe, into Kazakh and Russian, broadening its impact., then other academics highlighted In 1992, Qaidar Aldazhumanov and Abilhozhin argued that the famine was ethnocide [...] In 2019, Abilhozhin described the famine as a "social class genocide," focusing on Soviet policies aimed at eliminating kulaks and bais (Kazakh elites). [...] Qoigeldi and others, uses the title "Goloshchekin's Genocide," attributing sole responsibility to Goloshchekin. Historian Talas Omarbekov firmly characterized the 1931–1933 famine in Kazakhstan as genocide, acknowledging the difficulty of securing international recognition due to the UN's narrow legal definition and the absence of definitive documentary evidence of intent.
  • Sultan K. Zhussip, Dikhan Qamzabekuly, Sagymbay Zhumagul, Karlygash Aubakirova, Nurzhan Konrbayеv (2020) The Famine of 1932-1933 in Kazakhstan: Genocide or Ethnocide? Analele Universităţii din Craiova. Istorie, Anul XXV, Nr. 1(37) - There are various research methods used in this article, which gave an objective image of the historical and political situation of Kazakhstan during 1932-1933. These methods consider the following thematic aspects as genocide and ethnocide of the Kazakhs. [...] It is no longer important whether to label the so-called national policy of the Soviet rule in Kazakhstan, which placed Kazakhs on the verge of complete physical extermination on their indigenous lands – as genocide or ethnocide.
  • Sarah Cameron (2018) The Hungry Steppe: Famine, Violence and the Making of Soviet Kazakhstan, Cornell University Press, p.179 - The regime sought to carry out a sweeping transformation of Kazakh society, with little regard for the tremendous human suffering that this would provoke. But there is no evidence to indicate that these plans for violent modernization ever turned into a desire to eliminate Kazakhs as a group. [...] Though genocide has taken root as the ultimate "crime of crimes" in the popular imagination, that the Kazakh famine does not appear to fit the legal definition of genocide does not make this atrocity any less worthy of attention nor lessen the scale of Kazakhs' suffering. Rather, the fact that the Kazakh famine, though one of the most heinous crimes of the Stalinist regime, does not fit readily into the legal denition of genocide should challenge historians to rethink the ways that we categorize and study mass atrocities and their perpetration.
-- Cdjp1 (talk) 22:34, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Expulsion of Germans after WW2

Could this be added? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%931950)

Deaths 500,000 to 2.5 million

Displaced 12 million to 14.6 million

Even if some people downplay it as "revenge" for WW2 atrocities committed by the Nazis it is clearly an act of ethnic cleansing (there are few Germans left east of the Oder) and many people were straight up murdered. ~2026-6110 (talk) 08:17, 1 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

We can add it if there is "a scholarly consensus to recognize [it] as genocide", per the inclusion criteria of this list. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 10:48, 1 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I expect there are likely enough sources to meet the LIC, which doesn't require a consensus just a number of scholarly sources that discuss it as a genocide. (t · c) buIdhe 15:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@IOHANNVSVERVS
if there is "a scholarly consensus to recognize [it] as genocide", per the inclusion criteria of this list.
Wrong. It doesn't say that. ~2026-98154 (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Add Algerian Genocide

There's a separate Wikipedia article about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_genocide

Adding entries to the list: The inclusion criteria for the list is events which have been classified as genocide by significant scholarship. This does not require a consensus in the scholarship, but multiple sources which meet WP:SCHOLARSHIP should be provided for any entries added or requests to add entries, where the authors in their own voice call the event genocide.

Sources about the significant scholarship exist in the relevant Wikipedia article. I'm directly quoting from that article.

Various scholars consider France's actions in Algeria as genocidal or constituting a genocide.[1][2][3]
=== Characterisation as genocide ===
Some governments and scholars have called France's conquest of Algeria a genocide,[4] such as Raphael Lemkin,[5] who coined the word "genocide" in the 20th century and Ben Kiernan, an Australian expert on the Cambodian genocide,[6] who wrote in Blood and Soil: A World History of Genocide and Extermination from Sparta to Darfur on the French conquest of Algeria:[7]

By 1875, the French conquest was complete. The war had killed approximately 825,000 indigenous Algerians since 1830. A long shadow of genocidal hatred persisted, provoking a French author to protest in 1882 that in Algeria, "we hear it repeated every day that we must expel the native and if necessary destroy him." As a French statistical journal urged five years late, "the system of extermination must give way to a policy of penetration."

— Ben Kiernan, Blood and Soil

  1. ^ Kiernan, Ben (2007). Blood and Soil: A World History of Genocide and Extermination from Sparta to Darfur. Yale University Press. pp. 364–374. ISBN 978-0300100983. In Algeria, colonization and genocidal massacres proceeded in tandem. From 1830 and 1847, its European settler population quadrupled to 104,000. Of the native Algerian population of approximately 3 million in 1830, about 500,000 to 1 million people perished in the first three decades of French conquest.
  2. ^ Schaller, Dominik J. (2010). "Genocide and Mass Violence in the 'Heart of Darkness': Africa in the Colonial Period". In Bloxham, Donald; Moses, A. Dirk (eds.). The Oxford Handbook of Genocide Studies. Oxford University Press. p. 356. ISBN 978-0-19-923211-6. The French conquest of Algeria in the 1830s and 1840s reached genocidal dimensions when Arab tribes under Abd al-Qadir launched successful attacks against the invaders. Even Alexis de Tocqueville, who later became an ardent critic of French exterminationist policies in Algeria, had been in favour of radical means to defeat Abd al-Qadir
  3. ^ Gallois, William (2023). "The Genocidal French Conquest of Algeria, 1830–1847". In Blackhawk, Ned; Kiernan, Ben; Madley, Benjamin; Taylor, Rebe (eds.). The Cambridge World History of Genocide. Vol. II: Genocide in the Indigenous, Early Modern and Imperial Worlds, from c.1535 to World War One. Cambridge University Press. p. 363. doi:10.1017/9781108765480.016. ISBN 978-1-108-76548-0. Taking, for instance, the 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, the Algerian case would certainly seem to meet its bar in terms of the availability of evidence that the French committed acts 'with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group'.
  4. ^ Gallois, William (20 February 2013). "Genocide in nineteenth-century Algeria". Journal of Genocide Research. 15 (1): 69–88. doi:10.1080/14623528.2012.759395. S2CID 143969946. Archived from the original on 27 May 2022. Retrieved 27 May 2022.
  5. ^ Irvin-Erickson, Douglas (2017). Raphael Lemkin and the Concept of Genocide. University of Pennsylvania Press. p. 217. ISBN 978-0-8122-4864-7. Archived from the original on 2024-05-21. Retrieved 2024-02-11. In the last years of his life, Lemkin developed these ideas most fully in his research on French genocides against Algerians and Muslim Arab culture. In 1956, he collaborated with the chief of the UN Arab States Delegation Office, Muhammed H. El-Farra, to produce an article calling for the UN to charge French officials with genocide. The text that survives in Lemkin's archives contains his annotations and comments. It is notable that El-Farra wrote in language that closely resembles Lemkin's-that France was following a "long-term policy of exploitation and spoliation" in its colonial territories, squeezing nearly one million Arab colonial subjects into poverty and starvation in "conditions of life [that] have been deliberately inflicted on the Arab populations to bring about their destruction." The French authorities, El-Farra continued, "are committing national genocide by persecuting, exiling, torturing, and imprisoning arbitrarily and in conditions pernicious to their health, the Algerian leaders" who are responsible for carrying and promoting Algerian national consciousness and culture, including teachers, writers, poets, journalists, artists, and spiritual leaders in addition to political leaders.
  6. ^ "Disowning Morris". Archived from the original on 2023-05-08. Retrieved 2019-04-18.
  7. ^ Kiernan, Ben (2007). Blood and Soil: A World History of Genocide and Extermination from Sparta to Darfur. Yale University Press. p. 374. ISBN 978-0300100983. Archived from the original on 2024-05-21. Retrieved 2019-04-18.

~2026-98154 (talk) 20:46, 5 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Three good books (Blood and Soil, Oxford handbook, and Cambridge world history), the article in the Journal of Genocide Research while a good source, is by Gallois who is the author who wrote the entry in the Cambridge world history, so I would lean on those two as one supporting source. Irvin-Erickson doesn't seem to conclude it is genocide in the quotation provided from the book. On the books, that would seem to justify inclusion, I won't take action until others have weighed in though. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 09:55, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
allikas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_genocides