Talk:Wilbur Soot

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2024

Due to the allegations of Wilbur by streamer Shubble not being included in the wiki page, I am requesting to edit in order to include the allegation information within his Wikipedia page.

Shelby's Stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzkS1_Pu6Kw

Wilbur's Response: https://x.com/WilburSoot/status/1762505851699380353 Manwithafriend (talk) 19:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself.
Also note that allegations of wrongdoing on a WP:BLP would require more reliable sources, these are both user-generated. If this has been covered by news outlets or other reliable sources it can probably be added. Jamedeus (talk) 20:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You want a reliable source: https://www.themirror.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/wilbur-soot-apology-shubble-allegations-362564, another one? here: The US SunYouTuber Wilbur Soot blasted for ‘brushing it under the rug’ as he returns to social media 4 months after ‘...Musician and streamer Wilbur Soot has been blasted once again by fans for returning to social media several months after he was accused of abusing an ex-....10 Jun 2024, that reliable enough? ADD THE ALLEGATIONS! The Linear (talk) 19:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
allegations are nothing without proof Axzyr (talk) 21:49, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with what you said. And after looking on your profile or user page I fully understand why you are a Wilbur supporter there's a lot of evidence support to the Shelby abused Wilbur situation but not the Wilbur abused Shelby situation literally to my knowledge that has the only piece that Shelby has spoken on about the Wilbur allegations is her actually coming out against Wilbur in February of 2024 but you look at the time period that Shelby had spoken that with this particular topic of Wilbur you can see various bruises and bite marks and various other injuries and I feel like pictures of Shelby during this time you see none of that HiimowoomgYT (talk) 19:25, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
yikes...
Kid, based on your profile you are way too young to be caught up worshipping an abuser. BromoPhenethylamine (talk) 02:22, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
that's why I'm not :shrug: Axzyr (talk) 12:52, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
HE FUCKING ADMITTED TO IT! 149.115.66.106 (talk) 04:25, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Share a reliable source that meets wiki standards instead of yelling Altruisticmeta (talk) 22:27, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Admissions are proof 149.115.66.106 (talk) 22:03, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ok share a reliable source for the admission and I'll personally make the edit myself Altruisticmeta (talk) 22:06, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The allegations re-talk

want a reliable source: https://www.themirror.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/wilbur-soot-apology-shubble-allegations-362564, another one? here: The US SunYouTuber Wilbur Soot blasted for ‘brushing it under the rug’ as he returns to social media 4 months after ‘...Musician and streamer Wilbur Soot has been blasted once again by fans for returning to social media several months after he was accused of abusing an ex-....10 Jun 2024, that reliable enough? ADD THE ALLEGATIONS! The Linear (talk) 19:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The US Sun is apparently considered an unreliable source for whatever reason? I'll try and add that other source into the article, the Mirror one. Kaivangelion (talk) 02:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Kaivangelion The Linear (talk) 08:17, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not that I disagree with adding something about the allegations, as he's practically fallen out of the public face and almost everybody he previously knew no longer associates with him, but by no means is The Mirror considered a reliable source for contentious topics such as this. Again, let me reiterate that I wouldn't be against adding content about it due to not only his response and the falloff of his public image as a result of the situation, just making a correction here regarding Wikipedia standards on sources. B3251(talk) 01:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, so are we doing anything about the new allegations? or are we just going to ignore them like the last time:
Wilbur Soot Grooming Allegations Explained... (Exposed by Rue) The Linear (talk) 12:57, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would add that one [and the other one] but unfortunately the editors on this article are strict and only want certain sources? I'll look around Kaivangelion (talk) 14:39, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
sick, cheers. The Linear (talk) 17:22, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, it feels very unfair that we can't add these things, even Soot himself confirmed 2/3 of the allegations, why can't we add his own truths? The Linear (talk) 17:26, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A truth which caused him to lose 250,000 fans, an incredible loss, the likes that not many youtubers or youtube users have seen. The Linear (talk) 17:27, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I'm confused about as well. Plenty of articles use Twitter as a source, mainly for announcements or statements from the subject of the article. I don't get why we can't source it here. Kaivangelion (talk) 18:25, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think all you can add from 𝕏 is WP:ABOUTSELF what Wilbur has said about it, which as we all know is a very poor address of the situation and may be worse than just not including it at all. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kaivangelion Please keep in mind that it's not us editors who are being strict regarding this, it's just that coverage about this situation was never picked up by any sources considered to be reliable enough for contentious topics. It's not our decision, it's according to the Wikipedia guidelines. I have had my edits reverted by high-ranking editors when I was a new editor for similar reasons. I personally won't stop you if you so choose to add information regarding this because was once familiar with this topic I don't oppose adding it, but technically speaking because none of the sources that have reported on the topic are considered reliable enough for serious topics (only coverage really came from low-quality tabloids). Because of that, another editor who is familiar with Wikipedia guidelines will likely remove it (again, as it has been a few times as far as I'm aware). B3251(talk) 18:44, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that regardless of what reliable sources we can find, due to the consensus agreement of this article requiring a paragraph for allegations, it fits under the category of WP:IGNORE and an unbiased section covering the allegations and their effects on his career should 100% be published Bastubunny (talk) 01:20, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ah yes. uploading a video on tiktok where you laugh about an apparently traumatic experience, then ask for the video to not be spread around. EXTRAORDINARILY trustworthy material for wikipedia right there Axzyr (talk) 21:48, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are we adding it yet???????? An Update Video The Linear (talk) 14:30, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
what do you want them to source using that video? He vaguely referenced not accepting things social media says about him. He doesn't mention anyone's name or any specific actions or labels Altruisticmeta (talk) 14:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
surely the use of self published sources would be viable in a circumstance where it acts as a primary source, no? so something like "in 2024 streamer shubble (shelby grace) discussed being abused by an ex-boyfriend <link to stream>, later confirming that it was gold" (obviously needs workshopping) could work? unsure, but i do think that it really needs to be added, considering how much of his current reputation is centred around it. Tertiaryapocalypse (talk) 10:46, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you can find a stream where she actually says his name. She was very very careful to not do that. He doesn't ever say her name, she doesn't ever say his Altruisticmeta (talk) 11:34, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

i hate all these "topics" talking about the allegations when looking into it for 5 seconds you see how badly glued together they are and how often the situation changes. there's proof of will being the one who was abused, and there isn't really any proof will abused shubble. he only admitted to it being consentual.

ANYWAYYY Will has moved away from the "Wilbur Soot" name mostly going by Will Gold, i feel like similarly to on the lovejoy wiki maybe the page should be moved? Axzyr (talk) 21:46, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any sources saying Wilbur was being abused? Link em here Kaivangelion (talk) 00:11, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
shubble hasnt provided proof of will abusing her, however a lot of proof surfaced of shubble abusing will. a lot of mammalian sighing reflex is about wilbur feeling trapped in an abusive relationship and was in therapy for a while in early 2024 even before the release of the false allegations. he had admitted the biting (main focus of most allegations) was consentual which shubble admitted too, and even if he did hold on a bit after that is normal human reaction time for the most part and unintentional/accidental, whereas shubble's abuse of wilbur causing him to need therapy, be malnutritioned and have bruises has appeared often with him admitting to go to therapy causing large gaps in lovejoy's music production, often being covered in scars, as well as appearing very sick in his recent covers on his music channel.
oh and also shubble has spread false allegations about previous exes and also her cousin came out with a story about shubble abusing wilbur.
so yeah there you go Axzyr (talk) 17:16, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
also can you please respond about the point of the talk submission rather than just controversy where very little is proven thanks Axzyr (talk) 17:17, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Brother all I asked was if you had an article or source link for it, whether it has "proof" or not. you don't need to be rude Kaivangelion (talk) 17:43, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are we adding it yet???????? An Update Video The Linear (talk) 14:29, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
“please talk about the point of submission” when you literally started off talking about the allegations 2601:89:C700:96A0:655D:E438:3559:FBC8 (talk) 01:32, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
got any website links to back that up? 2601:89:C700:96A0:655D:E438:3559:FBC8 (talk) 01:32, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Axzyr If this is supposed to be a page move request, don't talk about the allegations here. Go to the current discussion at Talk:Wilbur Soot#The allegations re-talk.
As for the page move, consider reading WP:RSPM and using the appropriate template.
I oppose this move, as "Wilbur Soot" is the clear WP:COMMONNAME. Strugglehouse (talk) 14:49, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Axzyr I've seen the "proof" that Shubble abused Wilbur. Absolutely not what that is. (See Domestic violence) Maybe you can say she harmed his reputation, but also he did nothing to try to protect his reputation. MSR is quite vague about exactly who it's about. Possibly Cycle of abuse, possibly recycling the truth and reversing the roles. It's less than a nothing burger, because it's music. That's not allegations. Music isn't where you drop truth bombs.
And way to twist the biting, of course, some degree of it was consensual. Doesn't mean it's all consensual! Consent is specific. If you consent to giving me half of your kitkat, it doesn't mean I can take the other half too. Also cousin story is confirmed fake.
Same as Strugglehouse I oppose the move. Maybe you can mention it in the article that he is trying to go by a different name, but not worthy on a move. People don't actually call him that.~ ~2025-36245-50 (talk) 08:51, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't a place to share your personal opinions on the matter and treat this as a forum. Please see WP:TALK. @Axzyr@~2025-36245-50 B3251(talk) 21:32, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my god, oh my god, OH MY GOD. NO. NOT EVEN SLIGHTLY TRUE ~2025-36910-15 (talk) 19:10, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
allikas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Wilbur_Soot