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Yes I do, because other map is incorrect. --MehrdadFR (talk) 21:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Zaza language has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 09:05, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Kurdish music, you may be blocked from editing. Semsûrî (talk) 17:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Answer and previous answers here. Vuzorg (talk) 17:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, you may be blocked from editing. Semsûrî (talk) 11:29, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Answer and previous answers here. Vuzorg (talk) 17:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia. Semsûrî (talk) 16:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Answer here. Vuzorg (talk) 17:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Vuzorg reported by User:Semsûrî (Result: ). Thank you. Semsûrî (talk) 19:59, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Vuzorg, Your talk page looks rather difficult. and I suggest you cool your temper. I do not really understand the issue, I so far haven't found much RS that suggests Zaza's are not Kurds. I and Semsuri have had an extensive and patient interaction with an editor called @Benahol, who was also of the view Zaza are not Kurdish. I believe we are missing a Wikipedia editor interested in the Zazas and have great hopes in you, that you might be the one. But then please calm down, be patient and present good sources. Make it step by step and follow the Wikipedia guidelines. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Paradise Chronicle:, thank you so much for your consideration. I made some edits in the Zaza language article and enriched the article. You can easily see in the history of the article, user Semsuri reverted all my edits for a long time without any valid reason. He did the same in other articles related to Zazas/Zaza language. We have discussed the issue on his talk page too and I presented my arguments about the issue, you can see all with taking a look at them. I was finally able to make some edits after a long series of reverting patterns of Semsuri. He previously removed the warning messages on his page and now he has reported me. While the Zazas are considered as Kurds by some, a significant amount of the Zazas consider themselves as a separate nation. Despite this fact, in the Zazas article, at the beginning, which is the most important part of the article, Zazas are explained as "Zaza Kurds". On such a controversial issue, it is not encyclopedic to present definitive statements such as "Zazas Kurds", "are often described as Zaza Kurds by scholars" or "Zazas generally consider themselves as Kurds (with only one source without any broad sociological or ethnological research), as if they were the only truth. There is also a lot of research that disagrees with that. It is not scientific, academic and encyclopedic to present only one view as the only truth in the content of the article. Yours sincerely. Vuzorg (talk) 17:06, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on Category:Zaza people from the Ottoman Empire indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:20, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz:, hello, I created that category for Ottoman-era Zaza literary figures like Ahmed el-Khasi and Osman Esad Efendi. However, user Semsûrî you can see on my talkpage persistently removes the category and word Zaza even though the literary figures are ethnic Zaza. They also represent Zazas as Zaza Kurds in the Zaza article. There is a category can be an example of Ottoman Zazas in Turkish Wikipedia,tr:Kategori:Osmanlı Zazaları. In Zaza language wikipedia, those figures are represented as Ottoman Zazas as well. For this reason, in my opinion, the category should remain and should not be deleted. Vuzorg (talk) 16:45, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Semsûrî (talk) 18:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on Category:19th-century Zaza people indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:25, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on Category:Zaza people from the Ottoman Empire indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Semsûrî (talk) 21:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit(s) you made to Zaza language, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Semsûrî (talk) 16:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You removed all the warnings I previously added to your message page, interestingly. You follow these pages and subjectively undo the slightest change. You must provide a valid reason before reverting sourced changes. What is your reason? Vuzorg (talk) 16:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Zaza language. Semsûrî (talk) 12:15, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you remove all the warning messages left on your message page by Wiki users and why do you follow all the articles about Zazas and the Zaza language and remove even the slightest changes in these articles, without any analysis and why do you leave warning messages on others users' page while you delete the ones left on your page. This is Cyberbullying, wikimobbing. Vuzorg (talk) 12:22, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vuzorg! I noticed that you recently made an edit and marked it as "minor", but it may not have been. On Wikipedia, "minor edit" refers only to superficial edits that could never be disputed, such as fixing typos or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not minor, even if it only concerns a single word. I'm not going to get into the edit warring that you are clearly doing. I'll let someone familiar with the topic handle that, but stop marking your edits as minor. Onorem (talk) 22:23, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for informing me, Onorem. I also do not want to get into an edit war with any user. Vuzorg (talk) 22:32, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi,

And just after removing the well-sourced statistical content here without any explanation leaving this message here? The source of the contet that you removed without any good reason there clearly states: ... in terms of ethnic distribution (composition), out of 100 people in Türkiye, 79 are Turkish, 14 are Kurdish, 1 is Zaza, 3 are Arab, and 3 are from other ethnic backgrounds. ... The other source used there also does so. There are other sources also which I have not used yet, supply data about the ranking of Zazas among ethnic groups of Türkiye. They provide statistical data and have nothing to do with identity debates.

As you see, my talkpage is almost full of these kind messages of you, accusing me of disruptiveness many times (no concrete data has been provided so far), threatening to block (instead of encouraging and motivating), starting discussion on admins' noticeboard and accusing me of disruptiveness and violation again there (no violation found), removing and reverting my edits without any good reason (just like the recent one you've done and I mentioned it at the beginning of my answer), etc... And after all that, again leaving me a message mentioning that you "have noticed" that I do not use an edit summary.

Well, I appreciate all well-intentioned actions and information. Despite everything you've done that I mentioned above, I appreciate your last message. On the other hand, I would like to draw attention to NPA, CIVILITY, HARASS, especially OWN again. I do not want my talkpage to be this occupied. You can use the "talk" sections of the articles if you notice any problem. Thanks. Vuzorg (talk) 14:58, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My issue is that you are ascertaining that Zazas are an ethnic group with that sentence when that goes against Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. The article should not state that Zazas are an ethnic group nor that they are Kurds, when there's no consensus in academia. I will once again remove that part, and I encourage you to involve an admin if you believe you are in the right. Semsûrî (talk) 15:38, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, before anything, for this "my issue is that you are ascertaining that ..." I should make mention of NPA, HARASS, AVOIDYOU, AGF and AOBF again. Before anything, we should assume good faith, istead of accusing users of ascertaining something with anything and accusing others of bad faith. As I mentioned above, these sources only provide statistical data, they do not mention idendtity debates, they do not ascertain anything and have nothing to do with identity debates. Objective and verifiable sources, RS, (particularly the statistical ones) should be presented in the article and after reading it, the audience should decide on the topic who are the Zazas. Well-sourced content should not be censored. And, since I am not the one challenging the source and content and questioning its "deep" meaning and removing the content, I think I am not the one who should involve an admin. For this, JUSTDONTLIKEIT.

Secondly, whether they belong to Kurds, Turks, Persians, Caspians, Parthians or something else, Zazas possess certain instruments that constitute an ethnic group, before anything they have their own language (Zaza language) and actively speak it, they live in a defined geographical area, they have identifiable common cultural and traditional instruments, they share a common, longitudinal history, they are well-known by neighboring peoples and they are considered an ethnic group in studies. Identity debates and constituting an ethnic group are two different things. While they are considered parts of Persian people in some studies and even their languages referred as dialects of the Persian language, especially in Iran, other small Iranian populations like Semnanis, Gilaks, Tats, Achomis, etc. are considered ethnic groups in studies, and in Wikipedia too. For instance, category:Ethnic groups in Iran.

In the case of Zazas, some consider Zazas a distinct ethnic group, some consider them a sub-ethnic group within a larger population (like Kurds or Turks) but whether they are considered a distinct ethnic group or sub-ethnic group belongs to a larger population, in the first phase all consider Zazas an ethnic group and later discuss their possible origin and upper-identity, where do they belong. Constituting an ethnic group as a group of people and belonging to another larger population as an ethnic group are two different phenomena. Despite all this, if we avoid mentioning them an ethnic group, then how else will they be mentioned? Zazas have a population of approximately 2-3 million and thus form the fourth largest "homo sapiens" group in Turkey after Turks, Kurds and Arabs? So referring to Zazas as an ethnic group has a big nothing to do with violating the neutral point of view policy. Whether they belong to the Turks or Kurds or Caspians, at first, Zazas are an ethnic group. Vuzorg (talk) 19:18, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]