In light of the recent rebranding, there’s been a lot of back and forth about whether X (social network) and Twitter are different media services. We’ve seen many discussions on this topic, but there’s still no clear consensus on how to move forward. The closer of a recent RM noted this: "Whether "X" under Elon Musk is a different service from "Twitter" is a different conversation, but one that is still worthwhile." I’m starting this RfC so we can get more community input and figure out how to approach the information in Twitter-related articles. Note that this is not a requested move to rename any article, this is a discussion on whether X and Twitter are different services. Please share your thoughts, suggestions, or concerns below. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 16:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment — X Corp. has argued that Twitter no longer exists in court, though that argument was rejected by the judge. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:41, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• The most recent RM was less than a month ago. It is too soon for another such discussion; furthermore, RfC is not for article rename discussions. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This doesn't look like a rename RFC. It appears to be asking a guinine question if Twitter and X are sufficiently different things, which if there is consensus to that, makes sense to start talking about a larger content rework around all related articles, which might require merges, splits, and renamed. But it is easier to start with this question than to lay out a complete proposal. Masem (t) 18:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  By beginning with phrases like There’s been a lot of back and forth about whether the article on Twitter (and other related articles) should be renamed to X (social network) to reflect the recent rebranding. and The most recent RM for this article, it gives the impression that a rename discussion is under way. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I have lightly reworded the RfC request to avoid any misunderstandings. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 22:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Yovt: Judging by recent comments - e.g. from Masem - this is actually a WP:SPLIT proposal. That is also outside the RfC process. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:05, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  No immediate action is called for from this RFC, but assuming the consensus suggests they are different, then a proposal of how to actually carry out whatever splits, moves, merges, and the like can be proposed to implement that consensus. So this should not be treated as a split or move or merge proposal, simply if there's a basis for that being the next step. — Masem (t) 12:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support that they should be considered "different" in the same way that the Seattle Super Sonics and Oklahoma City Thunder are different. Or New York Giants and San Francisco Giants. Relocated sports franchises are the same team, same players, same management. But generally Wikipedia has articles for each incarnation due to the fundamental schism created by the relocation and rename. Same thing for Twitter / X, despite being "the same service".
  We need a historical Twitter article that describes the founding as an SMS-based microblog, bios of the founders, novel 140 character limit, iconic "tweet"/"retweet" verbs, bird iconography, API and third-party apps, verified program, IPO and status as a public company in San Fransisco, etc. Then an X (social network) for up-to-date coverage of the current social network, Musk's ownership, firing of most of the previous employees, Twitter name change to X, abandonment of "tweet" in favor of "posts", no character limits, closure of the API, "Verified" changes, new political leanings, advertiser changes, existence as a private corporation, relocation to Texas, etc. Two articles for this company are supported by WP:DETAIL and WP:CONTENTSPLIT. Musk taking ownership followed very quickly by a complete rebrand is an incredibly obvious and convenient place for such a split to occur. The two articles will continue to prominently link to each other and be connected by hatnotes and disambiguation as needed. Strongly support moving/renaming/expanding Twitter under Elon Musk or any other strategy that results in two articles as WP:SPINOFFS of one another, one for historic Twitter and the other for current X. PK-WIKI (talk) 20:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support the idea that Twitter and X are two suffuciently district services that we should consider how to reorganize the content to reflect that. (how to do that is a question for later) while the backbone of the service remains similar, it's the way it has been managed and gaining a whole different slate of commentary and criticism, is clear reasoning why we should be clear there is a distinction between these. Masem (t) 20:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • To add, there is clearly far more content on Twitter/X that requires some type of split between two or more articles. The most natural split point, based on sources, is the transition from Twitter to X. If there wasn't a size issue then it would make sense to cover both parts in one article, but we are well beyond that point. — Masem (t) 13:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support along the lines of what Masem said. Twitter, the service, was novel - it was a microblogging service that operated as a social media platform. While Twitter had been making some changes prior to Elon's takeover (such as handling links better so they didn't count for as many characters, etc) the bulk of the changes happened after its "rebrand" to X. While many features are similar (such as being able to retweet/re-post something, quote tweet, etc), it is sufficiently different that it should be considered a new service. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 22:41, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose. X is the same service as Twitter, just under different ownership. O.N.R. ^(talk) 22:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Twitter and X are the same social media service; there's nothing fundamentally or radically different between the two and the functionality remains the same, though the community itself might feel different after Musk's acquisition (but we don't split articles based on nostalgia). Twitter just got renamed to X after Musk acquired it, and what changes he has made to it are detailed under Twitter under Elon Musk (which is essentially the X (social media) article; see Talk:Twitter under Elon Musk#Requested move 24 May 2024). Plus, splitting the article into Twitter and X will only confuse readers into thinking that these are somehow two different social media services, that Twitter somehow became defunct, then X took its place, when that's not what happened at all. I would oppose a split / support the status quo (keeping the article how it is now) if we're bolding whatever we want in this open-ended RfC. Some1 (talk) 10:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  "No consensus" means that the matter wasn't resolved in that move request, but at the same time, it wasn't also the focus of the move request, so asking the more focused question to actually figure out consensus on the specific point makes sense. Masem (t) 12:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support split. Whether the underlying technologies are the essentially the same is rather irrelevant. The historical Twitter as a service and online community is radically different from what X has become, and they should be treated as encyclopedically distinct topics, just as we give separate articles to various other commercial entities after mergers, splits, acquisitions, etc., even when the names are sometimes confusingly similar (which isn't even the case here). There is no question that pre-Musk Twitter and post-Musk X are fundamentally different online services from an encyclopedic perspective, even if there is a chain of legal-entity continuity.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose: Twitter has evolved over the years, but what happened in July 2023 was basically a poorly thought out rebranding exercise, similar to Kanye West changing his legal name to Ye. Twitter is significantly different under Elon Musk's leadership, but whether it is an entirely different service is open to question.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - I took the other side on the previous discussion, but I think I was just wrong. The community is different, the intended societal role is objectively different, and the secondary coverage is vastly different. That last point alone makes it impossible to coherently cover both as one thing. As a thought experiment that inverts the question: if we had an article dedicated to "X", and Musk then sold X, and it returned to previous ownership and all the policy changes were reversed, encyclopedic material on that "new" service wouldn't fit in that "X" article and wouldn't make sense there. I also like PK-WIKI's sports teams comparison. DFlhb (talk) 02:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• The old name is still being used as or more often than X is. If this is just new branding or product features, then it would be a continuation of Twitter, but with both involved it's no longer a clear-cut case. CurryCity (talk) 10:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose, X is obviously the same service as Twitter.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. A lot has carried on between the two, but a lot hasn't. It's a useful divide. The ownership, branding, content, userbase, etc. has all changed drastically. Roughly, Musk bought the domain, some code, and database; very little else remains. SWinxy (talk) 20:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose unless there seems to be a consensus among reliable sources that Twitter and X are distinct entities. Our own opinions as editors are arguably irrelevant. Loytra (talk) 01:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. I guess this isn't technically covered by the moratorium but it sure feels like we're continuing to have the same discussion there's been no consensus around, seeing as this came up in all three of the three most recent RMs. Anyways, I can't find much evidence in sources treating Twitter and X as distinct things; plenty of sources still use the terms interchangeably (New York Magazine), use X and refer to it once as being the new name of Twitter (The Atlantic), or even just continue to call the site Twitter (Bleacher Report). The name change is broadly referred to as a "rebrand" (The Verge, CNN, Foreign Policy, Wall Street Journal) or "rename" (Variety, Washington Post), and not some more fundamental difference. While plenty of sources cover changes made post-acquisition, there don't seem to be any sources treating the two names as wholly distinct entities. The colloquial usage of "Twitter" and "X" both seem to be used refer to the platform generally, and not any specific point in its history. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 23:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I would not try to base any decision on sources from last year, but more recent sources, which is where the issue of X being managed differently than Twitter lies. This is beyond a rename aspect but how we are going to split a long topic. Masem (t) 00:32, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There are plenty of reliable sources that say twitter "died" or "was killed", and that what remains at X is something quite different from the social network it replaced.

  • Elon Musk killed Twitter. First he did it figuratively (...) Then he killed it literally: renaming it X, giving Twitter a final ending after fifteen years of chaotic existence. — The Verge
  • The social network formerly known as Twitter has fully metamorphosed into X.com. — Wired
  • Elon Musk has officially killed Twitter. The zombie platform lives on as X, a disfigured shell of its former self — CNN

  Our policies give editors plenty of leeway for a WP:SPINOFF or WP:CONTENTSPLIT based along those lines.

  PK-WIKI (talk) 19:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  These articles are written in an intentionally hyperbolic tone, almost for comedic effect. That's not to say they do not contain real commentary on the state of affairs at X but I don't think these are really evidence that it is not the same company. The CNN article starts off as a fake obituary. The CNN and Wired articles also switch between referring to them as clearly the same entity and saying X is different. For example, the Wired piece says Musk promised new financial management under X. It then goes on to say Twitter under Musk has… followed by a bunch of changes he has made and then closes with The “entire financial world” part remains a work in progress. Both articles also refer to this as a rebrand. MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫— talk 07:48, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Similar to Dylnuge, I had my concerns with this RfC given the moratorium, but am accepting that it isn't a move request. That said, I am a bit confused that the question was "Is X a different service from Twitter?" with the intent to use it to "figure out how to approach the information in Twitter-related articles" and that some of the replies here are to split the article in two.
  In any case, I will say that multiple organizations don't treat X as separate from Twitter. I will also acknowledging that Musk has made significant departures from how Twitter was prior to his acquisition. Personally, I didn't mind either name as the other would be a redirect, as in 'X (social)' would redirect to Twitter and Twitter would redirect to 'X (social)'. If there is a split, then that would complicate things as neither would redirect to the other, but I suppose that is what {{About}} and {{For}} are designed to handle.
  I will also mention that I looked into PK-WIKI's statement regarding sports teams getting split articles. The Decatur Staleys existed from 1919 to 1922, but lack an article compared to the more well known Chicago Bears. The Boston Redskins existed from 1932 to 1937, but also lack an independent article from the Washington Commanders. The Dallas Texans was an inaugural AFC team in 1960 that was sabotaged by the creation of the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL that same year. These Texans would become the Kansas City Chiefs in 1963. To end this football recap, the 1997 and 1998 Tennessee Oilers lack an article compared to the former Houston Oilers and later Tennessee Titans. Despite these examples, there are many more where I found that it was done when both are notable, which should apply here given that Twitter was notable before Musk and the service has remained notable under Musk. (In some of the cases I mentioned, I would say that there are notable former teams that lack independent articles.) --Super Goku V (talk) 00:57, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Too many red flags and reasons to oppose this idea. X and Twitter are the same. Splitting it makes very little sense. Nemov (talk) 19:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I'm not opposed to summary style spinoffs, but I am extremely unconvinced of the argument that they are a different service. To be honest, I am not entirely convinced there even is an argument. Alpha3031 (t • c) 05:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. I'm just not seeing any compelling case that this is a different company. I'm not disputing that things are different. While some reliable news sources have published stories declaring "Twitter is dead!" and that Musk has totally changed it, these statements are not to be taken so literally.

MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫— talk 07:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose and procedural close to this RfC This is textbook window shopping. A six month moratorium has been enacted for move discussions.

From the op: Note that this is not a requested move to rename any article, this is a discussion on whether X and Twitter are different services. Then what the hell is this discussion even about if you're using a comment from a move discussion? They are the same service inside and out. – The Grid (talk) 17:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is a follow-up to the move discussion. A number of editors raised the idea that X and Twitter were two distinct services, which the closer of the RM mentioned was a "different conversation." This is that conversation.

Additionally this is not a RM, but an RfC. The moratorium does not apply to my understanding. --Super Goku V (talk) 06:51, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RM or not, the same question is being asked. – The Grid (talk) 13:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose I disagree that we don't have consensus on this issue, this seems like a backdoor way of asking a question we already have an answer for: should the name of this page be Twitter or X. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose (Summoned by bot) No convincing arguments are being presented that sources are treating X as a new entity, simply as a somewhat ham-fisted rebrand and re-align. The time may come when the new identity is sufficiently established and has sufficient history to 'split' the article, but at present most sources still feel the need to refer to "formerly Twitter" in order to recognisably describe what X is. What's the point of splitting now? Half the new article would be about the pre-rebrand platform. Pincrete (talk) 05:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Oppose; stick to the status quo: The opinions of its userbase should not outweigh the simple facts that all twitter links redirect to X, all tweets and other content from before 2023 remained up assuming the user didn't delete them, and all users' accounts are the exact same on Twitter and X. There was no migration process because they're the same site. Treating these as different services would be as nonsensical as if we treated HBO Max as a different streaming service from its new name Max (streaming service). Unnamed anon (talk) 07:48, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  HBO Now has its own article. PK-WIKI (talk) 08:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - It's the same company, the services are not particularly distinct from each other before and after. PackMecEng (talk) 23:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Fundamentally, it's still the same microblogging website despite changes in userbase composition and minor functional differences. This is reflected by many reliable sources that still use the "X (formerly known as Twitter)" phrasing or even just calling it Twitter. What polls and reports we do have indicate that a plurality of US users, [1] a majority of UK users, [2] and an overwhelming majority of businesses [3] (which would have a financial incentive to accurately describe its official channels) still exclusively use "Twitter". It's rename that hasn't caught on (yet?) not a fundamentally different website. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:58, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose: Twitter and X are the same. The only difference is the naming of the app, and some of the services in it. Other than that, both are still fundamentally the same platform. It's similar to how, if a city changes its name, that doesn't mean it has now become a different city. EarthDude (talk) 04:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It might not be a different city, but we do write a new article (and a song) for each name to represent each era: Byzantium, Constantinople, Istanbul. PK-WIKI (talk) 05:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't even the discussion at hand. – The Grid (talk) 13:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Twitter and X are starkly different in a host of significant ways, as innumerable reliable sources affirm. ╠╣uw [talk] 17:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. PK-WIKI's explanation above makes sense, and their comparison to a relocated sports team is a good one, in that we have separate articles for both even though they are in many ways "the same team". In this case the differences between Twitter and Musk's X are many and sharp, and covering them in two in separate articles makes the most sense. ╠╣uw [talk] 18:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  One thing to consider with the sports team comparison is that the distinction is recognizable and natural when location is used; no one would say Shohei Ohtani is leading off for the Brooklyn Dodgers in the 2024 World Series, nor would they say that Jackie Robinson played for the Los Angeles Dodgers in the 1955 World Series. Meanwhile, Twitter and X are widely used interchangeably, and it's unclear that anyone uses "Twitter" to exclusively refer to the site prior to the acquisition (it's more clear that some people use the term "X" to refer only to the site following Musk's acquisition). Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 01:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This tracks with how reliable sources treats these cases. No reliable source will use a sports team's old name except in the immediate aftermath of the move or in a clearly historical complex, while in this case multiple reliable sources are still using the "X (formerly known as Twitter)" phrasing or "Twitter" outright. As shown in my links above, the old name has at least a plurality in terms of usage/recognition, which would not be the case for sports relocations expect perhaps among the most bitter and diehard fans.

  Another key difference is that if you go to the former stadium of a relocated sports team, you will obviously not get the same experience as visiting the stadium where the team is actually based. By contrast, X.com and Twitter.com URLs will always take you to the same place without any loss in functionality. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  A key part that is in the sources is that while the functional experience of X is roughly the same as the functional experience of Twitter, the atmosphere and environment are very much different due to the drastic behind-the-scenes policies changes. Too many !voters here are getting caught up on the similarities of the technical part of Twitter -> X , but its the larger picture around the commentary and criticism that is creating the divide between what was Twitter and what is X. Masem (t) 12:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I think you're right. Whether Twitter and X are “different media services” in a technical sense isn’t really the key question; it’s whether reliable sources consider them to be different, or whether sources present the changes between the two as so significant that it would justify us treating them separately. From what I can see, sources generally do — and to be clear, those difference are not simply a “rebrand” (as some have incorrectly asserted above) but a profound shift in numerous key areas: operation, policies, culture, perception, leadership/management, etc. ╠╣uw [talk] 13:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The way I figured to express that us that it is like a standalone restaurant, a community staple for years, being bought, named, and rebranded, but otherwise keeping all the same facilities with it. In such cases, it's still a restaurant, and ppl will likely use the old name for years, but it is a fundamentally different business. Masem (t) 13:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I think most editors (and sources) are in agreement that A) there are significant changes/differences that occurred following the acquisition and rebranding and B) the underlying service is still generally the same. My contention arises from wanting the article organization to reflect what is most recognizable and natural to readers with passing familiarity on Twitter/X; my assessment of sources is that even in describing the changes following the acquisition, few treat "Twitter" as a word that refers exclusively to the pre-acquisition service.

  Creating a divide between Twitter and X for the purpose of organizing this article may solve one problem, but it raises way more:

  • When does the divide begin? Musk acquired Twitter, Inc. on Oct 27, 2022; X Corp. was established March 9, 2023; the rebrand of Twitter to X was announced July 22, 2023; the URL was changed on May 17, 2024. Even among those arguing for treating X and Twitter as separate terms, I'm not clear there's agreement which of these is the line, and I suspect this would be completely unclear to most readers.
  • The rebranding also incorporated several feature renames. Should content from 2014 be called a "tweet" but content from 2024 quoting it be called "repost"?
  • If site content was written in 2021 but mentioned in a 2024 article, is it "on Twitter" because of when it was written or "on X" because of when it was accessed?
  • Is the appropriate thing to do with sub-articles like Censorship of Twitter or Twitter suspensions to split them up, even if their content doesn't merit it, and if not, what title fits assuming the article covers the entire history of the platform?
  • What about things that are recognizable as standalone terms, like Twitter bot or Black Twitter?
  • Assuming treating them differently results in the spilt you've proposed, where do incidental mentions target? Many articles will have a tangential mention of the platform: a politician's bio where they are quoted decried the platform alongside other social media, a social media influencer who engages with the platform, a television series which announced an upcoming season on the platform, etc. I don't see these as being places where making a distinction between Twitter and X is natural, and saying something like "Doe engaged with their audience via Twitter and later via X" in every article where the platform gets a mention feels especially wrong.

  Though I know this is theoretically not a titling discussion, it seems that what to title these articles is at stake. My opposition is grounded in concerns that while Twitter is a fine title for an article about the platform, and X is a fine title for an article about the platform, Twitter and X being separate articles creates a distinction that is not recognizable or natural to the average reader. It has little to do with whether the platform has changed under Musk (obviously it has substantially), and much more to do with the fact that this is ultimately not a straightforward distinction. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 18:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The idea that the average reader would not find it “recognizable or natural” if we distinguish the two is one that'd need some evidence, since much of the coverage I’ve seen in reliable sources since the acquisition suggests the opposite. Innumerable pieces have emphasized (repeatedly) the stark differences that divide the platform’s two eras, so personally I find it strange to think that our readers would be unfamiliar or surprised by an arrangement that distinguishes them.

  I’m also not sure why we’d need to define precisely when the divide occurred; if there are multiple transitional steps then we simply note them. Again to use the Sonics/Thunder analogy, the team’s transition involved numerous steps at different times, to the extent that we have an entire article dedicated to the process. Yet the articles are separate, and in many ways that seems best. I honestly don't see why a similar arrangement wouldn't work here. ╠╣uw [talk] 20:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I think you're seriously underestimating how little most people really think about the acquisition. This discussion is teeming with sources that use the terms interchangeably, including several of the few sources that have been presented as arguments for treating them distinctly. You asked for evidence, so here's a quick sample of usage in articles that aren't about the technology or business but happen to mention X/Twitter (I went looking for colloquial usage, which is what's under discussion, so these sources come from results searching "Twitter" and "X" and aren't specifically chosen for reliability; "X" is harder to search for, of course, but I did dig for usage of both names): Barstool Sports just says Twitter ([4]), as does Marca ([5]), as does Sports Illustrated ([6]), as does the Scottish National ([7]). Yahoo Sports uses them interchangeably but prefers 'Twitter' in their headline ([8]), as does Commanders Wire ([9]). Newsweek just uses X without mentioning Twitter ([10]). And terms like "Gay Twitter" ([11]) and "Black Twitter" ([12]) are still being used to describe current cultures on the platform.

  Why am I asking where the divide is? Because transitional steps or not, the Sonics/Thunder analogy has a natural and recognizable answer: the team was the Sonics up to and including the 2007–08 NBA season and the Thunder in the 2008–09 NBA season onwards. That was and remains standard colloquial usage when sports teams relocate. The evidence shows that there's no such clear divide in usage of "Twitter". When someone today says an athlete posted something on Twitter following a game, no one thinks they're talking about something that happened two years ago; if someone says an athlete got traded to the Sonics, it's obviously historical. There's an argument to be made over which name is common, there's an argument to be made over how to organize the article, but I cannot genuinely buy that there's an argument that most people naturally recognize Twitter and X as separate things when even the majority of the editors in this discussion (and I'm guessing we're all pretty "online", as these things go) don't. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 21:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  So then what was the sport team's name between seasons, from mid-June to late October 2008? Upon what natural and recognizable day recognized by all did the one change to the other? As I’ve said before, I don’t personally think it matters, either for the team or the social media service that we're discussing here... but if you're determined to keeping hammering that point then you invite those kinds of questions.

  As for the argument, it's not that Twitter and X (or the Sonics and the Thunder) are entirely separate things. They're clearly not. The argument is that they're sufficiently different, in ways sufficiently numerous and significant, that it's appropriate for us to distinguish them... and that if we do, readers are unlikely to be confused due to the abundance of reliable sources that emphasize those differences. ╠╣uw [talk] 14:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Upon what natural and recognizable day recognized by all did the one change to the other? September 3rd, 2008. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  So likewise, On July 23, 2023, Musk announced X's launch. ╠╣uw [talk] 20:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak support – I haven't kept up with this discussion as much as I'd liked to have, but from what I have kept up with there does seem to be a very clear split in the platform (and hell, we already have an article for it under Twitter under Elon Musk, which I think might be enough on its own to say X is considered differently). I don't see why I shouldn't support this, as such. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 20:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose: Its the same platform but with a different name and less censorship --FMSky (talk) 18:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As an pedantic exercise I do no see how this talk thread is even useful. The only thing that matters is how we cover this on Wikipedia and for the purposes of Wikipedia we will organize different topics into different articles and in my best estimates Twitter "before and after" are different topics for several reasons. Top reason is that the sources cover this break between "before" and "after" very specifically and there is such a distinct burst in new coverage when the company transformed enough to fill two different articles. The second is that the transformation involves a massive change in ownership which in corporate terms is essentially a new organization. The third is that the organization and service were renamed. People are correct when they compare this to Oakland Raiders and Las Vegas Raiders having two different articles: despite a continuous chain of transfer of legal property this is a massive transformation in terms of the actual organization and how the sources cover it... so I guess this would make my comment weak support but I do not understand what purpose this conversation serves. Jorahm (talk) 20:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•Support

Yes they are different because of the Ui and name has changed Ned1a Wanna talk? 18:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•Oppose I've used the service when it was called Twitter under previous ownership, I've used it when it was called Twitter under the ownership of Musk, and I've used it while it's been called X under the continuing ownership of Elon Musk. It's always worked in the same fundamental way, The potential word count was increased while named Twitter and features such as Community Notes were added after the serice had adopted it's new name. The service was given the name X while still functioning under the address twitter.com. At some time a function was enabled where people could type an x.com/... address and be transferred to a twitter.com/... address and now people can type a twitter.com/... address and be transferred to an x.com/... address. So when did Twitter become X? Was ot when Musk carried his sink into Twitter HQ or sometime later? Staff that Musk kept on, or rehired later, remained significant in the company. Users retain the ability to comment under other user's posts and to repost various posts. But for the development of Community Notes, the site's functionality has not much changed. GregKaye 14:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support as both are entirely different websites/services. –Davey2010^Talk 12:31, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. X is a rebrand and restructuring of Twitter, but fundamentally the same entity. – Anne drew (talk · contribs) 05:03, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The previous move request came with a moratorium to stop move requests to "X (social network)" for six months. I'd like to suggest a similar moratorium regarding scope changes and split discussions to treat them as different services. It's a related discussion that has become equally as exhausting; regardless of the outcome, I suspect there will be another discussion regarding the exact same thing in a few weeks unless the current moratorium is expanded to this type of discussion as well. Unnamed anon (talk) 07:48, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support moratorium as nominator. I'm open for either six months starting now, or this moratorium could be paired with the X rename moratorium (so five months I believe). Unnamed anon (talk) 07:48, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose: This is the second RfC for this article in 5 months and also the second RfC for this article in 10 years. I do not see where this is a reoccurring discussion and would require some evidence that it is a problem. There were 10 move request discussion in the prior 14 months when the moratorium on move requests began, when excluding the three discussions closed for procedural reasons on September 17th and 18th. I don't see the same issue here. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:43, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Striking following a discussion and some thought. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For context on that discussion, the RfC 5 months ago that Goku was referring to was also in response to Twitter under Elon Musk being moved to X (social network), specifically a huge mess on whether to consider the Twitter page as either a defunct, rebranded, or replaced website. That came only shortly after another proposal to treat them as separate sites in May. When the site was first rebranded in 2023, there were also constant changes to say that Twitter no longer exists (I can't find the edit right now, but somebody cited a "Twitter obituary" from CNN during that time). It also feels like a loophole to the current moratorium that goes against its purpose of constant discussions surrounding Twitter's status. Unnamed anon (talk) 07:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support and time to other moratorium. The purpose of the request move moratorium is to stop wasting editor time on this debate constantly. It would be pointless if instead of move requests, that energy was just wasted on discussions on if the page should be split or not or changing the scope of the article to effect a de facto move. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 03:00, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support: bundle with existing moratorium and extend both to 6 months following the closure of this discussion. I get the sense the RFC intended to follow the letter of the RM moratorium, but it's clear that whether to split the article, how to refer to Twitter/X, and what to title the article(s) are intricately linked topics. There's been one discussion or another ongoing about this essentially constantly since the domain change, and each of those discussions get similar participation, generate similar comments, and fail to find consensus (except the current open one, though it seems likely to close the same way). I'd argue the spirit of the original moratorium was that we leave the topic alone for 6 months, and it'd be nice to do that. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 03:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Regular discussions, unlike RMs and other XfDs, are not disruptive to readers. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @InfiniteNexus: Normally I'd agree that regular discussions aren't disruptive, but this particular discussion would likely result in Twitter under Elon Musk being moved back to X (social network) on the off chance it passes. In other words, it functionally serves as a move request for a separate but related page, which feels like it goes against the current moratorium's intent of no RMs. Unnamed anon (talk) 06:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I've said above, but the goal of the prior RFC is to determine if we should treat Twitter and X differently, but that doesn't set out to establish exactly what steps need to be done to manage the content between the 7 or more articles currently out there about Twitter and X (steps which would include content moves, context swaps, merges, and page moves). If that RFC closed to support that position, then to keep in line with the prior page move moratorium, the next few months would be used to brainstorm and outline how the content and pages should be managed, make sure there's agreement to that with likely another RFC but after the page move moratorium is over. Right now without this current RFC being answers, the content being piled onto the various Twitter/X pages is a mess and wholly disorganized and something needs to be fixed. Masem (t) 13:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That would be a blatant effort to WP:GAME the system and would not disallowed. The moratorium stands, and an RfC cannot and will not override it. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's very much X at this point. I know the last time this was discussed was almost six months ago and there was no consensus. But let's start another discussion.

• Support - everybody knows what X is, now, and most people refer to it as "X" or "X (formerly Twitter)". MatthewS. (talk) 09:17, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Oppose and recommend WP:SPEEDYCLOSE. The moratorium is still in place and won't expire until March 30, 2025. You should have checked the banners at the top of this page before wasting mine and others' time. GSK (talk • edits) 15:07, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]