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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 June 2024
Under the United States section, SFL America and Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America should not be referred to as part of the Christian right, as this is inaccurate. Not only are they religiously neutral organizations (thus associating them with the Christian right would be misleading), but their status as right-wing organizations is also questionable. I would suggest an edit such as this: "Anti-abortion groups like Students for Life of America, and Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America are at times associated with conservatism. Other groups, such as Focus on the Family, are considered a part of the Christian right". Connexitcut (talk) 14:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To have a Philosophy section would require sources that give an overview or survey of the philosophies behind the anti-abortion movement(s), and for appropriate weight on how many people in the anti-abortion movement subscribe to which of these philosophies, not one editor picking and choosing which philosophies they think anti-abortionists believe sourced to individual philosophies. ---Avatar317(talk)03:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article is on topic (anti-abortion). But it's not optimal to have "pro-life" redirect to an article with this title. Noting all the objections listed above to the term "pro-life" and granting them for argument's sake, an appropriate umbrella term is still needed. This redirect is like having a search for "Poverty reduction movement" redirect to "Free School Lunch". Free school lunches might be one element of poverty reduction, but the movement itself would be much larger, which is the case here. In 2025, the movement expends only part of its energies and organization toward fighting abortion. It varies by country. Currently, very active areas of the movement in Canada and the US include battling euthanasia programs. In the US, there are currently media stories about self-identified "pro-life" lawmakers seeking to overturn the death penalty in their various states. In both the examples above, the persons involved would certainly be against abortion, based on their choice of a label that includes that, but to have their battles against euthanasia and the death penalty fall under "anti-abortion" seems inadequate. If someone who has heard of it is looking for information on the entire movement and conducts a search by a term that describes the movement as a whole, they should get to a page about the entire movement -- even if a more neutral name is wanted. So, back to the question I opened with. If "pro-life" is objectionable for the reasons outlined in the box above above, what is the neutral, non-partisan, objective and preferably not too wordy term for a movement that is opposed to everything/anything that deliberately terminates human life between conception and natural death? Granting that it should start with Anti-, because opposition to various practices is what defines it. So, Anti-...what? Greenbough (talk) 17:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly disagree. The term "pro-life movement" has long been understood as a political-spin term for the anti-abortion movement. The notion that it stands for something broader is a fiction promulgated by anti-abortionists. The issue about which that movement feels strongly and to which it gives almost all of its resources is opposing abortion. In the U.S., the states that have the most powerful anti-abortion movements and most restrictive laws against abortion are the ones that also have the worst maternal mortality and infant mortality rates, so claiming that they're the defenders of "life" is a bit backwards. NightHeron (talk) 18:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When you say, "has long been understood as," I think that's a fair reflection of the headlines garnered in traditional media over past decades and the impression they would have created to the typical media consumer. However, this impression doesn't survive inquiry. If we do a web search today for the name of any national "pro-life" group in the US or Canada, adding the term 'euthanasia,' the results show this topic has been a major focus of these organizations for years. As another example, news media today are reporting that "pro-life" politicians in three US states are trying to reverse the death penalty. So the movement is clearly focused on an array of issues that includes, but goes beyond, abortion. That brings us back to my previous point and question. Greenbough (talk) 20:22, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly agree. 'Pro-life' is a specific ideology with certain beliefs and history, for which we have plenty of RS to prove has opposition to other things beyond its main focus of abortion. 'Anti-abortion' is referring to all activity against legalized abortion regardless of its source or context. Calls in Muslim countries to outlaw abortion because they think it promotes promiscuity have little to do with the 'pro-life movement'. Reesorville (talk) 00:07, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
