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This article seems to be a bad translation of sr:Andrija Torkvat Brlić, which in turn seems to be mostly a contribution from a user who was indefinitely banned from the Serbian Wikipedia (diff, block log).

Regardless, it's apparent from just reading this that this is a very tendentious article as it stands - so many extraordinary claims, so much difference from mainstream biographies that one can google, like e.g. this one from the Croatian Encyclopedia or this one from the Austrian Biographical Lexicon.

At times it's just comically weird, because for example it references a work from one Vlasta Švoger, apparently to promote some weird Serbian nationalist soapboxing, but a quick google brings up this presentation attributed to that same person on the website of the Croatian Institute of History where it's apparent that the overlap is glaringly lacking.

But, this sort of a thing might have gone completely unnoticed as most English readers can't verify these kinds of foreign-language references...

Aquinasthomes1 I've already warned you about adding weird stuff in the WP:ARBMAC topic area. How many more times do we have to go through the list of basic policies? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:43, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I sincerely say very sorry for that, i put in the summary that the article is a stub (very very stub), I am correcting/removing these strange parts.Aquinasthomes1 (talk) 20:50, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's not what the term "stub" means in this context. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 21:13, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is still fairly nutty, because it continues to mention various weird talking points yet doesn't mention him being an editor of Kolo (magazine), the secretary of Matica ilirska, representative in the Croatian Parliament, etc. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 18:54, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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So I just reverted an anonymous edit that was fairly bizarre[1]. It had promoted File:Izvori srpske povjestnice.jpg in a making a point kind of way. This is something we've seen happen at Talk:Nikola Tesla as well, so I'm thinking this is some sort of a talking point. Obviously nothing precludes citing a secondary source talking about this book, if it's relevant.

I see before that there was an edit that removed the Serbian script etc[2] @Governor Sheng can you please provide an explanation for the latter?

Just recently we've had a source added that describes Brlić as someone who during his life didn't want to be described as solely Croatian, but also Slavonian, so this simplification in the lead doesn't quite strike me as a great summary of the article, even if it is concise. --Joy (talk) 07:08, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Joy, as I nominated Ivan Ančić as an FA, a recieved a comment suggesting that he should be described as a Croatian writer because of the langauge used. Following the same logic, I defined Brlić as a Croatian writer, regardless of his citizenship, ethnicity, identity etc. Governor Sheng (talk) 08:44, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I guess that's the @Vacant0 comment about nationalities at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ivan Ančić/archive1?

In this case it's plausibly similar, but a couple of centuries later and during the era of romantic nationalism. I suppose it's a question of relevance of whether Brlić not being a conventional nationalist warrants making the introduction less concise. --Joy (talk) 09:16, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I don't think that those two can really be compared. Ančić lived in an era where nationalism was not really present, while Torkvat Brlić did (the article also suggest that he was a follower of the Illyrian movement). Regarding Ančić, it at least made sense to me that it would be best to describe him using the language he wrote. I do not know anything about Torkvat Brlić, but if he identified as a Croatian, wrote in Croatian language, and lived in Croatia during his life, then I do not see why would it be an issue to identify him as a Croatian. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I do not think that we could describe him as an Austrian because the only connection he seems to have with it is that he lived in Austria-Hungary. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 09:29, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Andrija Torkvat Brlić's father, Ignjat Alojzije Brlić, was a member of the Society of Serbian Letters (today Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts) link. Ignjat works are dedicated to the Serbian and Croatian language (Grammatik der Illyrischen Sprache: wie solche in Boßnen, Dalmagien, Slawonien, Serbien, Ragusa ... dann von den Illyriern in Banat und Ungarn gesprochen wird)

. Labeling Andrija Torkvat Brlić only as Croatian is just POV, since he was from the Austrian Empire (Austrian nationality), was a member of the intelligentsia of the well-known Serbian nationalist Ilija Garašanin, Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Serbia. He is visible member of South Slav (Yugoslavian) nationalist cause, a popular trend at time, and Hungary's opponent. He has many nuances (complex) of nationalities. He dedicated works in Common Latin to Serbian and Croatian (South Slavic), but also dedicated works in Serbian language, Serbian Cyrillic and Serbian content proper (author of Izvori srpske povjesnice iz turskijeh spomenika [Sources of Serbian history from Turkish monuments] (1857)) (the article image is the wrong size). It is preferable to make a neutral article, keeping the Austrian name (also include the modern-day Croatia), include the Serbian Cyrillic name, since he also used to write it, resize the image of his work better and also include the plaque.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.36.171.98 (talk) 20:29, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You need to cite some actual sources supporting these claims. We're not going to avoid describing e.g. František Zach as Czech even if he was in the same crew, much more prominently. Josip Juraj Strossmayer was an honorary member of the Serbian Learned Society, too, and likewise involved in the same events, but we're not going to describe them as Serbian because of that. --Joy (talk) 20:43, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Joy. Someone from that period being a member of certain Serbian societies, or even an associate of the Serbian secret service or some political circles, isn't indicative of their identity. Serbia was viewed as an ally in the Pan-Slavic cause. Many prominent people from Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, indeed, were associates of the Serbian political circles and secret service. Ivan Franjo Jukić collaborated with the Serbian intelligence of the time. However, you might describe him as a Serbophobe (he denied the existence of Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina, claimed that the majority of South Slavs are of Croat descent, etc). Governor Sheng (talk) 10:15, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I find some sources, I will describe later — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.36.171.98 (talk) 13:56, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]