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After the Ottoman conquests of Serbia and capture of Smederevo fortress in 1459 and fall of Bosnia 1463 different populations of Orthodox Christians moved into Syrmia and by 1483 perhaps 200,000 Orthodox Christians moved into central Slavonia and Syrmia. This information is from the sources ^[1][2] This information is based on Serbian sources that talk about 200,000 Orthodox Serbs which coming from Serbia or Bosnia to Croatia ie Slavonia. The original document says the following I quote: "Tvrdnja kralja Matije Korvina iz 1461. godine jest da su Turci samo u posljednje tri godine "odveli 200.000 duša u ropstvo.. King Matthew Corvin's claim of 1461 is that in the last three years alone, the Turks "have taken 200,000 souls into slavery (from Hungary towards Turkey). This forgery was transmitted by Serbian historians and is now transmitted by foreign historians. ^[3] For this reason, I suggest deleting this information from the article.Mikola22 (talk) 18:29, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A minor style tweak would be good, for the sake of context. Plain removal is not okay I do not see why would we need to completely remove the information. It falls upon you to prove that the used source is not RS. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 19:55, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

After the Ottoman conquests of Serbia and capture of Smederevo fortress in 1459 and fall of Bosnia 1463 different populations of Orthodox Christians moved into Syrmia This might remain, but the problem is that foreign sources speaking about different populations of Orthodox Christians using sources from Serbian historians who talk about 200,000 Serbian Orthodox(all of these sources are contaminated with that false fact). It would be better to use a Serbian Academician Sima Ćirković and his book "Serbs" I quote: "Najveća preseljavanja bila su u jesen 1480. i 1481. godine, kada je kraljeva vojska sa srpskim velikašima prešla Dunav istočno od Smedereva i pustošeći prodrla sve do Kruševca. Na povratku je u jednome pohodu prevela 60 000, a u drugom 50 000 ljudi te ih naselila na području Banata i Pomorišja." The largest relocations were in the autumn of 1480 and 1481, when the king's army with the Serbs crossed the Danube east of Smederevo and devastated everything all the way to Krusevac. On the way back, they brought 60,000 people in one campaign and 50,000 people in another, and settled them in the Banat and Pomorišje area.Mikola22 (talk) 21:17, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Turks continued to raid border areas and take people away. Hungarian King Matthias Corvinus complained in a letter dated 1462 that during the previous three years, 200,000 people had been seized from his country. This is information from a book(The Serbs, page 115) of Serbian academician Sima Ćirković. He doesn't talk about 200,000 Serbs which 1483 migrate towards south Hungary or central Slavonia because he doesn't use this information "A letter of King Matthias from 12 January 1483 mentions that 200,000 Serbs had settled the Hungarian kingdom in the last four years" which is a forgery. We cannot continue to use this fact just for a reason because some RS use this forgery fact. From Serbian scientific paper I quote: and this mistake is often repeated in historiography,.. Sima Ćirković pointed to this mistake; see: History of the Serbian People II, 431.Mikola22 (talk) 06:33, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak raasoning, a lot of spamming and ignoring other editor's view, plus not going per basic Wiki rules (primary/seconday sources and WP:RSN). I object. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 19:40, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When you refuse (in good faith) to remove the forgery from the article then we will quote information of the Serbian academic who says that it is a mistake and that information does not exist. Mikola22 (talk) 06:46, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Mikola22: Do you have the full quote? How do you know that it's "just a translation"? PLease explain before removing the material and do not link other discussions. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 00:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the source [1], se page 111. Mikola22 (talk) 05:10, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sadko: The book by Scholz is a translation into modern English of the Royal Frankish Annals from 741 to 829, so it is clearly primary. Also, I am not sure why it should be wrong to link to other discussions. Then it might not be necessary to explain the same thing again and again. --T*U (talk) 08:21, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In 1222, the King of Serbia Stefan Prvovenčani gifted Mljet, Babino Polje, the Saint Vid church on Korčula, Janin and Popova Luka and churches of St. Stephen and St. George, to a Benedictine monastery on Mljet.

• This information is from "Codex diplomaticus Regni Croatiae, Dalmatiae et Slavoniae" ie summarium of historical diplomatic documents from year 1905. Source, page 480, [2] and it is WP:PRIMARY. Mikola22 (talk) 10:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it primary? It's a historical fact. History must be based on original documents, ain't it so? Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 13:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History indeed must must be based on original documents, but we must also follow some Wikipedia rules. It is primary because it is a collection of all historical diplomatic documents in some time period. If we start to using such information's and such sources then only the sky is our limit. Mikola22 (talk) 15:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]