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== Apostrophes == |
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I saw an note on ANI that you may have a list of articles that need the apostrophes changed. I am willing to help, if you have a list that I could work from. As long as my Ipad will support making the changes, I would enjoy doing so. I can't "sit" at my desk computer, but can work, prone, on the Ipad. in the past, I have assisted others in completing similar repetitive tasks. Let me know if I can help. Best, <b>[[User:Tribe of Tiger|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Tribe of Tiger</span>]] [[User Talk:Tribe of Tiger|<sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!</sup>]]</b> 00:23, 8 July 2020 (UTC) |
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Word/quotation of the moment:
Pela primeira vez na sua vida a morte soube o que era ter um cão no regaço.
For the first time in her life, death knew what it felt like to have a dog in her lap.
— José Saramago, Death with Interruptions / Death at Intervals
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— as opposed to by what?
— Slavko Janevski, 'Silence'
— Stanislaw Lem, Return from the Stars
— (commonly misattributed to Magellan)
— from the WP article Nancy Dorian
— from the WP article 11714 Mikebrown
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Your page moves
Your recent page moves are out of process and inappropriate. You have been here long enough to know that. If you want an articles to be renamed, request so at WP:RM, not by attempting to game the system. ƏXPLICIT 11:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Your edits were irresponsible. You left redirects to red links, even in templates, that would have been bot-deleted if I hadn't cleaned up after you. And waiting a month for a discussion to correct a typo is a bit ridiculous. — kwami (talk) 17:39, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Tevita ʻAlokuoʻulu
Are you sure your move is correct? The surname is spelt ‘Alokuo’ulu (i.e. with the second mark not being an okina) by the Tongan Parliament. Cheers, Number 57
That's just how they write 'okina. They use an apostrophe and their word processor makes it curly, so it's a 6-shape at the beginning of a name but a 9-shape in the middle of a name. If you do a search for <'>, you'll see they're all apostrophes, and they're all 9-shaped in the middle of a name. — kwami (talk) 23:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. Presumably that means Mele Siu’ilikutapu is wrong as it stands? Number 57 00:15, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes. Often people do use apostrophes when they're not typesetting professionally, but in that case you'd just use a straight apostrophe <'> on WP. Normally we fix them all to ʻokina, which you can input as {{okina}}. — kwami (talk) 00:19, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Ayin apostrophes
Is your changing of the straight apostrophe in place of the ayin character related to some discussion affecting all relevant articles? If not, please discuss first as the articles are simply following the MoS guidelines: "The characters representing the ayin (ع) and the hamza (ء) are not omitted (except when at the start of a word) in the basic form, both represented by the straight apostrophe (')". The proper transliteration is simply added, or should be added, next to the Arabic name in the introductory sentence of the given article, e.g. Ma'an (Template:Lang-ar). —Al Ameer (talk) 04:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
@Al Ameer son: That MOS guideline might be new, or at least I don't recall ever seeing it. There has long been consensual use of distinct letters for ayin and hamza. That dates back to the founding of Wikipedia -- you can still find the old ASCII convention of <`> as an for ayin. Personally, I take exception to intentionally introducing errors into articles or article titles. Basically, we're saying that the Arabic language isn't important enough to represent accurately. Why is it that it would be culturally insensitive, if not actually racist, to mistranscribe Native American or Hawaiian names, but okay to mistranscribe Arabic names? — kwami (talk) 04:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Al Ameer son: Could you provide a link to that MOS guideline? Charles Essie (talk) 15:22, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Charles Essie: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles#Arabic transliteration. I used to include the diacritics for transliterated Arabic terms, but was informed during an FAC that the basic transliteration is recommended by this MOS guideline; also used to add a straight apostrophe (usually in place of ayin character) before the first letter of a word, as in 'Abud, but later I was again informed that the MoS recommends that this also be omitted. I don't care too much either way, though I've gotten used to the MoS, but generally I support a consistent style wherever possible. --Al Ameer (talk) 17:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Proposed move to Kauaʻi per MOS:HAWAII
Seems another user undid your move, which I believe to be correct. I've started a requested move discussion at Talk:Kauai#Requested move 5 July 2020. Hope you are able to participate in the discussion. Skyerise (talk) 19:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Not sure what your preferred method of talk page usage is. I replied on mine. Let me know if you'd prefer something else. I vaguely remember that I used to use some kind of notifying template but that was a while ago and I forget what it was... Skyerise (talk) 20:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
WP:ANI
Please stop immediately with wholesale moving articles from straight apostrophes to curled ones. I asked for an urgent block at WP:ANI. Debresser (talk) 17:06, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Same for adding an apostrophe to indicate the Hebrew letter ayin. Which is against WP:HEBREW. Debresser (talk) 17:07, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- I haven't moved any articles to curled apostrophes. In fact, I've been moving hundreds from curled to straight apostrophes. — kwami (talk) 22:26, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Then who made this move? Debresser (talk) 18:36, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
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Apostrophes
I saw an note on ANI that you may have a list of articles that need the apostrophes changed. I am willing to help, if you have a list that I could work from. As long as my Ipad will support making the changes, I would enjoy doing so. I can't "sit" at my desk computer, but can work, prone, on the Ipad. in the past, I have assisted others in completing similar repetitive tasks. Let me know if I can help. Best, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 00:23, 8 July 2020 (UTC)