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{{re|Al Ameer son}} That MOS guideline might be new, or at least I don't recall ever seeing it. There has long been consensual use of distinct letters for ayin and hamza. That dates back to the founding of Wikipedia -- you can still find the old ASCII convention of <`> as an for ayin. Personally, I take exception to intentionally introducing errors into articles or article titles. Basically, we're saying that the Arabic language isn't important enough to represent accurately. Why is it that it would be culturally insensitive, if not actually racist, to mistranscribe Native American or Hawaiian names, but okay to mistranscribe Arabic names? — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 04:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
{{re|Al Ameer son}} That MOS guideline might be new, or at least I don't recall ever seeing it. There has long been consensual use of distinct letters for ayin and hamza. That dates back to the founding of Wikipedia -- you can still find the old ASCII convention of <`> as an for ayin. Personally, I take exception to intentionally introducing errors into articles or article titles. Basically, we're saying that the Arabic language isn't important enough to represent accurately. Why is it that it would be culturally insensitive, if not actually racist, to mistranscribe Native American or Hawaiian names, but okay to mistranscribe Arabic names? — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 04:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

== Proposed move to Kauaʻi per [[MOS:HAWAII]] ==

Seems another user undid your move, which I believe to be correct. I've started a [[WP:RM|requested move]] discussion at [[Talk:Kauai#Requested move 5 July 2020]]. Hope you are able to participate in the discussion. [[User:Skyerise|Skyerise]] ([[User talk:Skyerise|talk]]) 19:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

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Pela primeira vez na sua vida a morte soube o que era ter um cão no regaço.
For the first time in her life, death knew what it felt like to have a dog in her lap.

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How do I make a map?

Hi Kwamikagami,

I've been wondering how to make a map for/on Wikipedia/Wikimedia. You might not need to personally teach me but I was wondering if you could direct me towards some resources on this? I've tried looking for resources but have found almost nothing and it almost seems like a secret knowledge of sorts. Do I need to download software for this? Thanks, -TenorTwelve (talk) 08:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Easiest to take the various blank maps on Commons and modify them, or take an existing WP map and modifying it. Depends on what the file format is. PNG and JPG files are easy enough to modify with the software you should have on your computer. (If not, search for image-editing freeware/shareware. GIMP may be good, but has a bit of a learning curve.) SVG files are harder. There aren't a lot of software options. The best is probably Inkscape. It's slow, but fairly easy to figure out simple things like copying the color of one country onto another, change the thickness of borders, move pieces around, etc. What's harder to do is to figure out is things like adding stripes when nothing in the map already has stripes that you can copy. In that case, best to find a different map that does what you want to do, then open it in a text editor to see how the stripes were created, and add that coding to your map. So you'll likely need to use a combination of Inkscape and a text editor. Not straightforward, and it can be frustrating until you figure it out, but not too bad to figure out the relatively small number of things we normally do with maps. If you get stuck, I can try to give you some tips. — kwami (talk) 08:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropriate merge

Hi Kwamikagami, your merge of the set index article Rhexenor (mythology) into the disambiguation page Rhexenor, needs to be undone. Thanks. Paul August 14:59, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why? — kwami (talk) 20:51, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You should read Wikipedia:Set index articles in particular, the section "Set indexes and disambiguation". Basically set index articles (SIAs) and disambiguation pages (DABs) are different kinds of creatures (with different rules) and cannot be merged. Your merge ended up with the article Rhexenor being classified as both a DAB and a SIA, which is a no no. It also broke several rules regarding DABs:
1. One and only one link per entry.
2. No references.
3. No (with some exceptions) incoming links.
It was this last rule violation, that ended up catching my notice. Since another editor, Narky Blert, began correctly marking, what used to be valid links from other articles into the SIA Rhexenor (mythology), as needing to be disambiguated (see for example this edit). The reason is that most links to DABs are in error, and should be replaced with links to some article linked to by the DAB. However in this case no such article existed since you had made Rhexenor (mythology) a redirect to Rhexenor. I know this all can be a bit confusing at first. If anything I've said above is unclear please don't hesitate to ask. Regards, Paul August 10:06, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Paul August is correct. As he says, two major differences between DABs and SIAs are (1) every entry on a DAB page must link to a relevant article, either one about the topic itself or one where it is discussed; that does not apply to SIAs, and (2) DAB pages may not include references or external links; SIAs can and often do. Narky Blert (talk) 10:15, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your page moves

Your recent page moves are out of process and inappropriate. You have been here long enough to know that. If you want an articles to be renamed, request so at WP:RM, not by attempting to game the system. ƏXPLICIT 11:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits were irresponsible. You left redirects to red links, even in templates, that would have been bot-deleted if I hadn't cleaned up after you. And waiting a month for a discussion to correct a typo is a bit ridiculous. — kwami (talk) 17:39, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tevita ʻAlokuoʻulu

Are you sure your move is correct? The surname is spelt ‘Alokuo’ulu (i.e. with the second mark not being an okina) by the Tongan Parliament. Cheers, Number 57

That's just how they write 'okina. They use an apostrophe and their word processor makes it curly, so it's a 6-shape at the beginning of a name but a 9-shape in the middle of a name. If you do a search for <'>, you'll see they're all apostrophes, and they're all 9-shaped in the middle of a name. — kwami (talk) 23:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. Presumably that means Mele Siu’ilikutapu is wrong as it stands? Number 57 00:15, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Often people do use apostrophes when they're not typesetting professionally, but in that case you'd just use a straight apostrophe <'> on WP. Normally we fix them all to ʻokina, which you can input as {{okina}}. — kwami (talk) 00:19, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ayin apostrophes

Is your changing of the straight apostrophe in place of the ayin character related to some discussion affecting all relevant articles? If not, please discuss first as the articles are simply following the MoS guidelines: "The characters representing the ayin (ع) and the hamza (ء) are not omitted (except when at the start of a word) in the basic form, both represented by the straight apostrophe (')". The proper transliteration is simply added, or should be added, next to the Arabic name in the introductory sentence of the given article, e.g. Ma'an (Template:Lang-ar). —Al Ameer (talk) 04:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Al Ameer son: That MOS guideline might be new, or at least I don't recall ever seeing it. There has long been consensual use of distinct letters for ayin and hamza. That dates back to the founding of Wikipedia -- you can still find the old ASCII convention of <`> as an for ayin. Personally, I take exception to intentionally introducing errors into articles or article titles. Basically, we're saying that the Arabic language isn't important enough to represent accurately. Why is it that it would be culturally insensitive, if not actually racist, to mistranscribe Native American or Hawaiian names, but okay to mistranscribe Arabic names? — kwami (talk) 04:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move to Kauaʻi per MOS:HAWAII

Seems another user undid your move, which I believe to be correct. I've started a requested move discussion at Talk:Kauai#Requested move 5 July 2020. Hope you are able to participate in the discussion. Skyerise (talk) 19:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]