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This article appears as if written by some propagandists or his harsh critics. This is evident in the tone of language and content of this article. Onkuchia (talk) 14:18, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please make specific suggestions, or be bold and fix the issues yourself. There is a consistent lack of support for Elst among reliable sources, so the discussion of his work is going to be critical if it is written neutrally (no, that's not a contradiction). Vanamonde (talk) 16:47, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest not using Elst as a source. If there is anything interesting he has said, find reliable secondary sources instead (if they don't exist, then the material should not be in the article). I removed the recently added one but there are a couple of other uses of Elst writings in the article and someone with more knowledge about him should probably review those as well. --regentspark (comment) 17:52, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think we must edit the description. Its better if the description calls him an Indologist/philologist instead of an "activist", a term which he denies. It makes Wiki look biased. He has an MA in indology. And PhD in Asian Studies

I have edited the description, making it neutral.IndianHistoryEnthusiast (talk) 13:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• https://web.archive.org/web/20090723055700/http://ca.geocities.com/zydenbos2001/z2elst.html
• https://web.archive.org/web/20091027021513/http://ca.geocities.com/zydenbos2001/laermendepolemik.html
• https://web.archive.org/web/20091027021531if_/http://ca.geocities.com/zydenbos2001/elstprotest.html ∯WBG^converse 09:09, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Koenraad Elst (born 7 August 1959) is often accused of being a right wing Hindutva activist by [Hinduphobic|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindu_sentiment] left wing activists. 212.164.64.24 (talk) 13:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. When discussing on the talk page, please be sure to cite reliable sources to support your statements. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The source does not say that "Elst is known for publication of anti-Islamic literature". Winged can you help me find such mention in the source? --Jaydayal (talk) 14:07, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Check my last edit-summary. Stuff in lead may not be cited, as long as they are cited in body. ∯WBG^converse 14:20, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The entire reception of his works in academia is centered around his corpus of anti-Islamic literature. Commentary by Blom Hansen (radical anti-Muslim persuasion), Meera Nanda (peddle the worst kind of Islamophobia imaginable), D. Anand (antagonistic to Muslims;not precisely quoted), Subrahmanyam (Islamophobia as the common ground). ∯WBG^converse 14:26, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you and also aware that it does not need to be referenced right there, but I also do not find "known for publication of anti-Islamic literature" in any of the reference you present now either. "Known for" is a key element in that statement too.If you could share some of the reference I would also like to check in detail and may conceded or find a amicable middle ground. But right now, it does not seem plausible that on this BLP we can say in the lede that he is "known for" anti-Islamic literature (which one?). --Jaydayal (talk) 14:42, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will wait for t/p watchers to chime in ..... ∯WBG^converse 14:48, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see "far right hindu fundamentalist" more appropriate summary of some unfavorable critics and less harsher summary from other few`er critics. I do not clearly see a strong consensus among scholars for known-for-anti-islamic-literature. Like Paul Beliën, François Gautier ,Daniel Pipes and Ramesh Nagaraj Rao do not advance this image. If there is a room for discussion we should have it on a BLP for sure? --Jaydayal (talk) 15:02, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you deem Gautier (grad-school drop-out; another fellow traveler of the Hindutva fold who has been himself deemed as Islamophobic!) or Beliën (who has his own colorful history, much of which is not much mentioned at his article) or Rao (who has better qualifications than the other two but has no training in relevant academic fields and has an entirely negative reputation, on top of that) as scholars, is a mystery to me. ∯WBG^converse 15:06, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They hold Phd and have published researched content. What about the other two you left out, what is your objection to them? --15:09, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

I am stumped by your speed. You edited your response while I was replying and my reply has lost little context because your earlier reply changed. Nothing new with you and me. Back to topic, there is still Pipes to discredit. And I don't completely buy your argument about totally duscounting Rao. --Jaydayal (talk) 15:12, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gautier holds a PhD? Please provide a source! Same for Belien. ∯WBG^converse 15:16, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also dropping in Micheal Witzel^[1]:- There now exists a closely knit, selfadulatory group, members of which often write conjointly and/or copy from each other. Quite boringly, they also churn out long identical passages, in book after book, sometimes paragraph by paragraph, all copied in cottage industry fashion from earlier books and papers; the whole scene has become one virtually indistinguishable hotchpotch. :3 ∯WBG^converse 15:22, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I could not understand why you deleted long standing text with reference citing INTEGRITY, could you help me understand? --Jaydayal (talk) 00:38, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you click on the link and find out? I removed the part, because the cited source did not support the assertion, thus failing verifiability. ∯WBG^converse 02:00, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Flåten, Lars Tore (2012-09-01). "Hindu Nationalist Conceptions of History: Constructing a Hindu–Muslim Dichotomy". South Asia: Journal of South Asian Studies. 35 (3): 624–647. doi:10.1080/00856401.2011.642794. ISSN 0085-6401.. ∯WBG^converse 14:47, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The description is biased. I have changed it. Please let me know if there are any issues with the changes rather than reverting them back to the original.IndianHistoryEnthusiast (talk) 14:17, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

To copy Vanamonde93, ..there is a consistent lack of support for Elst among reliable sources, so the discussion of his work is going to be critical if it is written neutrally (no, that's not a contradiction). Lead merely reflects the body. ∯WBG^converse 14:21, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's no need to notify you. You need to read WP:LEAD "The lead should identify the topic and summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight." You deleted material simply because you don't like it even though it should be there to comply with WP:LEAD. Doug Weller talk 14:26, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So an author of more than 20 books on Hinduism, Indian History and Politics is merely described as a "Hindutva Activist", what is the problem in adding "writer" in his description?IndianHistoryEnthusiast (talk) 14:31, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Author is a more accurate term; need to think about adding that .... ∯WBG^converse 14:37, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]