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Talk:List of oldest living people/Archives

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Add living supercentenarian: Name: Rose Thayer Sex: Female date of birth: September 01, 1905 Place of residence: Wisconsin, USA

Newspaper report from Jefferson County Union newspaper

https://www.facebook.com/DailyJeffersonCountyUnion/photos/?tab=album&album_id=873300259373509

4321stop (talk) 20:59, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:24, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Facebook is not a reliable source either. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:01, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

There are a number of sources claiming that Celino Villanueva (still alive) was born on 25th july 1896. Among them:

• The government's Pension Administration. In that article, it states that it has been paying him his pension since he retired in 1965, at the age of 69.
• The National Service for Semior Citizens
• La Nación newspaper, in an article that includes a photograph of his national ID with his date of birth: http://www.lanacion.cl/noticias/site/artic/20130725/imag/foto_0000000220130725223416.jpg

On one side, Chile has an old and reliable registration system. On the other hand, Villanueva was registered when he was 63, which arises a significant margin of doubt. How is this case solved? --Jbaranao (talk) 15:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since all people listed here are living people, per WP:BLP, we must have reliable sources to back up the information. Unfortunately the article here is violating WP:SYN and WP:OR by creating its own ranks for people whose rank is unknown - where there is no reliable source to back up their rank. All of the ranks must by WP:BLP have a reliable source, or should otherwise be removed. It's quite clear from looking at the article history that new cases are often 'slotted in' when a new reliable source is discovered, and the ranks are just edited up or down. It's clear that this article is violating WP:SYN and WP:OR in order to create its own information about ranks for living people - in violation of WP:BLP. Any ranks without a reliable source to back up the information must be removed immediately per WP:BLP. SiameseTurtle (talk) 14:28, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:CALC. No source is necessary to show that the oldest living person ranks at the top of a list of living people ordered from oldest to youngest. clpo13_(talk) 23:31, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There actually was a discussion about this in September 2015 (Talk:List of oldest living people/Archive 13#Rankings and sortable table), but as far as I can tell, no consensus to remove ever came of it. Now, I wouldn't be opposed to having a civil discussion about whether ranking is appropriate, but let's not WP:CRYBLP. clpo13_(talk) 23:38, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article itself states that there are somewhere between 150 and 600 supercentenarians. Here we have <150 listed, and new people keep appearing on the list ahead of other people. For example, Corine Snow was added on 15 July 2016 as the new #53 [[1]]. Everyone's rank below that was then shifted down one. Clearly Corine Snow didn;t suddenly become older than all those listed as younger than her - she just wasn't known about. But the ranks were therefore incorrect because of the lack of information.

WP:CALC should be a case where something is - and must be - a fixed value. Unfortunately, because we have sparse information on supercentenarians, it is not. The article also states that "The true number of living supercentenarians is uncertain because not all supercentenarians are known to researchers". If that is the case, then we should not be making the assumption in the ranks that all supercentenarians are known. We cannot apply WP:CALC here because the calculation is not obvious - it relies on incorrect assumptions and is therefore conflating hundreds of reliable sources as per WP:SYN. We do have some reliable sources that support some of the ranks on the list, but the vast majority have no source for that data. As we are talking about living people here, any unsourced information such as the ranks should be removed immediately per WP:BLP SiameseTurtle (talk) 23:59, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]