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Big Brother and the Holding Company's 'Cheap Thrills' is not a compilation album, by our common definition of that term. Also, Elvis Presley is inaccurately referred to as a contemporary of Del Ray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.80.156.7 (talk) 03:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lana stated in an interview at the Brit Awards in March that she spends alot of time living at her apartment in London. Can a proper source be found for this and added to the article, as it states she only lives in NYC or LA, but from the lady's own mouth that's incorrect.

London doesn't have 'apartments'. They're a Yankee notion. In London there are flats, pied-a-terres, studio flats, even maisonettes, but not 'apartments'.

an apartment is just another word for a flat (also no-one in London beyond an estate agent would call it a 'pied-a-terre'. This is pointless nitpicking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarcastathon (talk • contribs) 23:14, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How would we feel about using this picture for the infobox? It was taken less than a week ago, and personally I just think it is a more flattering picture of her than the one currently being used. WikiRedactor (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It was actually taken in November 2013 at the party for her Nylon Magazine cover, but yes, I think we should use it. Littlecarmen (talk) 19:21, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Littlecarmen: Then in that case it would appear as though there is an issue with the licensing; a Commons user uploaded this image with the description "Lana Del Rey at at Sunset Marquis Hotel in 2014" with the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license, which would appear to be false information. My second-favorite image on Commons was Picture #2, which I still think is a better angle of Lana than the current image. What do you think of it? WikiRedactor (talk) 18:25, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I like it but I feel like her laugh may be distorting her face a bit too much. I like this picture (or maybe this cropped version) quite a bit. She looks beautiful and happy, and it shows her face well. Littlecarmen (talk) 18:36, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Littlecarmen: That's a good point, I like both of your suggestions and would be happy with either one! WikiRedactor (talk) 21:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiRedactor: Great! What about the cropped version? I think it would be better for an infobox. Littlecarmen (talk) 21:15, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Littlecarmen: Sounds like a good idea to me! WikiRedactor (talk) 21:16, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiRedactor: Okay, I have changed it! Littlecarmen (talk) 21:25, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Littlecarmen:, @WikiRedactor:, I don't think that's a good picture to use honestly. There's more recent pictures that are of better quality, I believe that the picture previously used in the infobox was better. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 00:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Jjj1238:, I don't think the picture that was used before is good at all, her face is distorted from laughing, it doesn't show her face directly from the front, and the lighting is odd. I think this picture gives the reader a better idea of what Del Rey's face looks like. The picture is also only two years old and the only thing that has changed about her appearance is her hair colour. Littlecarmen (talk) 11:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Littlecarmen: I'm not sure what image you're talking about but I was talking about "File:Lana Del Ray at the Echo music award 2013.jpg". That picture clearly shows her face, is of good quality, is recent, and isn't distorted. The image currently being used is of bad quality and old. Two other images better for the infobox than the one being used currently would be "File:Lana Del Rey Releases Music Video For New Track 'Burning Desire'6crop.jpg" and "file:Lana Del Rey Cannes 2012.jpg". Both of which were previously used and at least deserve a spot somewhere in the article. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 04:54, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Jjj1238: That Echo picture is what I was talking about. Her face looks bloated and, since it is only lit from one side, looks wonky. The quality of the picture we are currently using is good enough to show what Del Rey's face looks like and, as I said, nothing about her appearance, except for her hair colour, has changed since March of 2012 so I don't think it's a problem the picture isn't extremely recent. The Echo picture is over one year old, so it really isn't that recent either. With "distorted", I mean that her facial expression is exagerrated by the dramatic lighting, making a nice smile look bad. I also like the Cannes picture, I wouldn't mind it being included somewhere in the article, maybe in the personal life section? I don't really like the picture from the F-Type unveiling, she looks so miserable and stiff. I don't think it should be used in the infobox, but it could be included somewhere else appropriate. Littlecarmen (talk) 11:05, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This article states, under the artistry section, that "Del Rey possesses an expansive contralto vocal range". It also includes a sound excerpt from 'Million Dollar Man', stating that "this demonstrates Del Rey's contralto range".

I think a general consensus has been reached that Lana Del Rey is a mezzo soprano, especially following the release of further work. Her album 'Ultraviolence' is generally higher and shows more of her upper register. The site 'Diva Devotee' lists Lana Del Rey as a mezzo soprano: http://www.divadevotee.com/2012/01/lana-del-rey-vocal-profile-range-3.html

The quote that follows in the article, saying that Del Rey intentionally lowered her voice to be taken seriously, suggests that this is not the range she is naturally comfortable in and seems in opposition to the statement that she is a contralto.

However, I am aware that the article does not actually say she is a contralto, rather that she has a contralto range. This does not seem accurate either, because her range (reaching to approximately C6) is atypical of a contralto.

I propose that the article is amended to suggest more clearly that she generally sings in a contralto range but her natural tessitura is higher than a typical contralto.

Lilahcub (talk) 06:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

http://news.mtv.it/gossip/lana-del-rey-con-il-nuovo-fidanzato-italiano-a-portofino-scopri-chi-e-foto/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iltex74 (talk • contribs) 13:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That article doesn't mention anything about engagement, only about him being her new boyfriend. I'm not sure we should add that either, though, since they are really just rumours and gossip. She confirmed her relationship with Barrie O'Neill herself, we should probably just wait until she does the same with this guy. Littlecarmen (talk) 13:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks all for this very informative page about a singer/songwriter with whom I've only recently become familiar but who is rapidly winning me over! One niggling criticism: the poem Howl is very famous as is Allen Ginsberg. It's a little like saying, "a song called Help by the Beatles", no? Perhaps upon the next, probably more substantive edit, this might be rectified, too? Please say 'the poem "Howl" by Allen Ginsberg' Sanderatlarge (talk) 23:24, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, I've changed it. Littlecarmen (talk) 13:33, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the Musical Style part, does the first sentence (the second half of it) really need 7 references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4:1500:C90:2148:ECC1:F792:4060 (talk) 15:16, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The interview that's available online that references the cult leader says she 'considered joining' the cult, not that she was part of it. Also since Lana is a character and not Lizzie herself, can we also consider this part of the 'mythology' of Lana (since beyond naming a 'cult' there's no further back up for it, ie. name of cult, leader, people, etc) and make it less of a concrete fact? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarcastathon (talk • contribs) 23:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have the magazine that is used as a source for that sentence. Here is her statement in German:

"Ich gehörte mal zu einer Underground-Szene, die von einem Guru beherrscht wurde. Der umgab sich mit jungen Mädchen und hatte eine Wahnsinnsausstrahlung, der auch ich mich nicht entziehen konnte. Ich war also bei dieser, ich nenne es mal Sekte, weil ich mich nach Liebe unde Geborgenheit sehnte. Aber dann stellte ich irgendwann fest, dass dieser Guru kein guter, sondern ein böser Mensch ist. Er fand, dass man Leute erst brechen muss, um sie wieder aufzubauen. Am Ende stieg ich aus."

And here is my translation:

"I used to belong to this underground scene that was ruled by a guru. He surrounded himself with young girls and had an amazing presence even I couldn’t resist. So I was in this, let me call it a cult, because I longed for love and security. But someday I realised that this guru wasn’t a good, but a bad, person. He felt like you needed to break people down to build them back up. At the end I got out."

How do you know that "Lana Del Rey" is a character and this story is fictional? She says it like it really happened to her so that's how we need to write it. Littlecarmen (talk) 13:43, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

She was never in a cult. That's clearly defined in the New York Times source. Which I would find more credible. Which source do you think people are going to read? The one in English or the one in German? It says: "The lyrics also mention a “cult leader,” and Ms. Del Rey said the song looked back to a time soon after she moved to New York City, when she considered following a guru who “believed in breaking you down to build you back up again" http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/arts/music/lana-del-rey-still-stirs-things-up-with-ultraviolence.html?_r=1 Cheers!2601:4:1500:C90:F8CF:BCB5:9098:73D4 (talk) 02:58, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the German interview, she very clearly says she did belong to an "underground scene" which she called a cult. The German interview directly quotes her while the New York Times article paraphrased whatever she told them. Both sources are credible. They both conducted interviews with her. I actually find the German interview more important as a source since she is directly quoted. This should not be ignored just because The New York Times is more well-known than Grazia. Littlecarmen (talk) 09:11, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong, New York Times reporter Jon Pareles conducted an interview with her himself.

https://www.facebook.com/lanadelrey?filter=3

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/27/popcast-lana-del-rey-downcast-superstar/

http://tribune.com.pk/story/722588/lana-del-reys-love-for-death/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/lana-del-rey-wish-dead_n_5491375.html

On her facebook page, she refers to his article as being the truth. Has she made any statement that the quotes in Grazia are the truth? I have removed the quote until sources are confirmed one way or another. Dkspartan1 (talk) 17:21, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know he conducted an interview. I never said he didn't. I was just saying that her Grazia statement is a direct quote and the NYT paraphrased whatever she said in the interview. Unless Del Rey says otherwise, every statement of hers in every interview must be seen as the truth. Littlecarmen (talk) 17:33, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the new Rolling Stone article, it's written that she is 29 years old (not 28) and is often reported to be a year younger. Is this finally a reputable source that can be used to back up the correct information? See 3rd paragraph in image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs03DStIAAAOV7z.jpg 84.30.93.169 (talk) 12:59, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While there was sufficient evidence of this before that other Wikipedians chose to dismiss, this is exactly the kind of evidence—a well-known reputable secondary source citing her correct age and noting reports of her being a year younger are incorrect—they said would be required to warrant changing it when I lobbied for this in the past (see here). Now that we have this, it's time to change her age to the correct age of 29 and her birth year to the correct year of 1985, citing this Rolling Stone article as well as the Domain Name Journal, Adirondack Daily, and Blurt magazine sources mentioned in the talk history I linked. However, I'd hesitate to use any of the other sources I'd listed there with her correct age. They are right for the same reason all the other sources are wrong: a feedback loop. They were written during brief periods of time when her Wikipedia article was edited to reflect her correct birth date, proof positive of the feedback loop effect that has been going on here. Evilentity1 (talk) 15:17, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The correct birth year of 1985 along with Rolling Stone, Domain Name Journal, and Blurt as sources, has been added to the article. I didn't add Adirondack Daily because you need a subscription to see the content and we have enough other sources. Littlecarmen (talk) 18:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work! FYI, the Adirondack Daily source is archived here. Evilentity1 (talk) 15:12, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a short follow-up piece by the author of that Rolling Stone interview about "her real age" that says she "just turned 29 – not 28, as it's usually reported". I'd add these myself, but I've never edited an article page before, just talk pages. Evilentity1 (talk) 16:21, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

she is 27 years old not 29. the brith date is wrong. it was correct a few days ago so somebody changed it recently.

See the section above you. She was born on June 21, 1985, and is 29 years old. Littlecarmen (talk) 11:38, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There should be mention about music produced by different record labels, I think it is and it will be very important. Interscope is a label related to the perverse crap Atlantic Records, so it is Warner and so it is bloody AOL. The other label is Polydor. Nothing really bad to say about this label but I really suggest that there is a simple mention on a separate paragraph about the record labels. I don't want to talk about politics and economy but for sure as a music addict since the Punk Rock era (70-80s) I can say that the "world" will be cut in two so in that way, Mrs. Del Ray is maybe playing (or not...) with that fact. No more comment. Thank you for your consideration and attention! — Hydrocarbonic 22:31, 23 July 2014 (UTC) [reply]