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There is an edit war brewing at Gaelic Athletic Association where two editors with a clear anti-GAA agenda are extrapolating all manner of novel interpretations of rules and obscure sources to put the most negative spin possible on the GAA's rule book. Please have a look at the talk page. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 00:44, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What edit war are you talking about? Talk page discussion is hardly a POV edit war. Whilst you are expanding the situation to includeevery single discussion on the articles talk page. In one particular discussion you deliberately influenced it by canvassing editors as you weren't getting your way. Your telling of the situation here is also highly POV and a clear attempt to yet again influence any debate by posting a very loose explaination that at best aims to preform any opinions and thoughts into any editors heads before they even get to the article. In fact it reads more like a call to arms to defend to the GAA rather than an honest attempt to strive for neutrality. Mabuska ^(talk) 00:59, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you understand the meaning of "brewing"? You were the one who sent me over here, you told me to take it to the appropriate wikiproject page. My tone is not POV, I'm warning everyone here that there are editors who are pushing POV and people here might want to head on over and make sure that NPOV is adhered to. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 02:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you understand what an edit-war is? Seeing as i haven't been involved in one and am participating on the articles talk page and have no intentions on starting an edit-war, there is no edit-war brewing. Also i never sent you here, i told you to take it to WikiProject Ireland and the Neutral POV Board - you came here yourself. There is nothing wrong in raising the issue here other than the possibility of bias - the main problem however is your pov-laden message. Naturally you wouldn't see your tone as POV, most people usually don't. Mabuska ^(talk) 11:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You did send me here. You sent me to the "appropriate wikiproject page" and then complained when I came here. Stop misrepresenting me, stop the ad-hominem attacks and start contributing something to wikipedia like you said you'd do. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 16:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever Eamonnca1, believe your own hype. Mabuska ^(talk) 21:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Could uninvolved editors who are part of this project give their opinion on this section re sectarianism. Mo ainm~Talk 12:18, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More eyes needed? Very curious title Mo ainm. Anyways to clarify for anyone - the section in discussion is also to do with nationalism and notable rules, not just sectarianism. Hence i renamed the discussion section to a more appropriate title which means we need to repost the link: [1]. Mabuska ^(talk) 14:26, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My link is good please don't refactor other editors comments as it is seen as vandalism. Also editors do not need a synopsis from you they can read. Mo ainm~Talk 16:43, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Never edited your link, i provided my own. Hardly vandalising to provide a more accurate section heading than the very misleading and erroneous one that was given. Mabuska ^(talk) 23:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone head over the Athletic Grounds and lend me a hand? I've expanded what I can but it needs a little bit more work. Also, can anyone in the area nip down there and get a photo of the place to include in the article? Thanks. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 22:15, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Gaelic_games#Stub_templates, footballers and hurlers to follow soon Gnevin (talk) 23:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi guys. Due to Dublin's recent success in the hurling, I've noticed they are now declared as a dual county on their wiki page. So, I went about adjusting the map below. However, I tried colouring Dublin in using the newest version of MS Paint. I obviously haven't done it right as all the other counties coloured in, in green are done so in some sort of latice colour patern. Anyone know how to do it correctly ? ManfromDelmonte (talk) 07:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Countieshf.GIF

I'm going to nominate this for deletion per as WP:OR Gnevin (talk) 19:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A bit harsh ? Each county page template states wether the county is hurling/football or dual county dominated as is. ManfromDelmonte (talk) 21:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They probably shouldn't make such cut and dry statement. They should be considered by some and a references Gnevin (talk) 21:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2011 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final selected for discussion at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#September 18. They go on the Wikipedia front page in the top corner. Somebody who knows about it might want to know that. --86.40.104.77 (talk) 17:58, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I've recently run across this article and its corresponding AfD. The article was written by a new editor and appears to be written in a very colloquial/essay-like manner. It's sourced and from what I can tell, is about the history of Limerick GAA. I think the members of this Wikiproject may be able to understand the article better than probably anyone else so I thought I'd come here and ask if anyone can take a look at the article and respond in the AfD regarding the subject of the article and also let us know if there's salvageable content in the article. I would hate to lose content due to lack of knowledge of sport in Ireland. Thanks for your time. OlYeller21^Talktome 22:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Following on from above, re Treaty Sarsfields, could this project work out notability criteria for GAA clubs? That might prevent further tagging for speedy deletion of new articles about clubs, and seems necessary since the standard sports notability criteria are focussed heavily on individuals and are not really any help for dealing with GAA clubs. ComhairleContaeThirnanOg (talk) 21:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Borrowing from other codes (rubgy) A Senior County championship or notable current or past members is clear indication of notability Gnevin (talk) 17:00, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:HLIST (more details in this signpost article), a group of us are improving the accessibility, standards-compliance and speed of rendering of navboxes, using a script, and with a Bot requested. However, some of your navboxes aren't suitable for conversion by those tools, as they use a different structure. I've converted one manually - please help by converting others. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:24, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would any of the following be considered notable for their Gaelic football or hurling activities? Alan Coomey Brian Currane Brian Shortall Cathal Corr Cian Quigley David Stynes Derek Mulligan Diarmuid Griffin Donal Boylan Fearghal Purcell Fergal Bradshaw Joe Cunnane John Lack O'Sullivan Liam O'Connor (Irish footballer) Michael Currane Roch Hanmore They are all included in Category:Irish players of Australian rules football but all appear to not meet WP:GNG or WP:NSPORTS for their Australian rules football exploits. Hack (talk) 08:31, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• David Stynes,Donal Boylan , Fearghal Purcell play(ed) at Senior level so yes. Everyone else no Gnevin (talk) 11:58, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• just picked up on a few articles listed above proposed for deletion and I cant se why they fail to meet notability reasons given for their deletion. Maybe you know the reasons for each one but it would be useful to share that with others. Can someone please oppose/support those articles listed under Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland/Article alerts. Thanks DubhEire (talk) 13:46, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  Surely the Aussie rule players are WP:NSPORTS notable for their role in the Ireland national Australian rules football team? I presume that international matches are the highest level of Australian rules football. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:55, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, the GAA has international also but like the AFL they aren't considered major. Internationals don't get a mention on Australian_rules_football Gnevin (talk) 09:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, none of these articles go close to meeting WP:GNG such is the low level of their achievements. Hack (talk) 12:14, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Many GAA articles are now being proposed for deletion. While some are poorly sourced - I will accept some blame here, the main question is their notability. I do feel that it is important to list Junior, Intermediate, Minor, etc. if we have the data at hand. I believe these are intrinsic to understanding the GAA and Gaelic games. Pmunited (talk) 17:24, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List here while some shouldn't be deleted, you can't argue with the prod. Some have gone years with out RS and other issues. Gnevin (talk) 13:03, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are members of this project aware of toolserver's CleanupListing bot which lists articles in needs of attention which are within the scope of a WikiProject? This project's Cleanup List is at http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListing.php?project=Gaelic%20Games

The summary at the top of the current listing says:

This is a cleanup listing for WikiProject Gaelic Games generated on 11 February 2012, 11:01:34 UTC.

Of the 5554 articles in this project 3595 or 64.7 % are marked for cleanup, with 5541 issues in total.

Article alerts shows lots of PRODs or AFDs of articles within the scope of this project. It seems to me that unless this project starts some sort of systematic cleanup, then many more deletions are likely. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:43, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The cleanup listing is also available broken down by category at http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListingByCat.php?project=Gaelic_games. It is worth noting that 2493 of the 5541 issues are regarding 'Persondata templates without short description parameter'. Teester (talk) 21:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A bot run maybe possible to sort that issue Gnevin (talk) 09:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please be advised that a discussion is open on Canadian GAA on a proposed new lead paragraph. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:33, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Leinster GAA, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:44, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment at Talk:Muskerry D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Gaelic_football#.22Gah.22 Gnevin (talk) 08:46, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is the scope of the various county level categories like Category:Louth camogie players? Is it for people who were born in County Louth who may or may not have played camogie for Louth GAA? Or is it for people who have played camogie for Louth GAA who may or may not have been born in County Louth? While there will usually be a lot of overlap between birth place and playing place, it is not necessarily so. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:42, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All those should be bot renamed in be X GAA Hurlers/Footballers/Camogie player Gnevin (talk) 15:57, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An excellent point - in my view, it should be the GAA county for which they have played, or in which they have played if they are notable club players who have not played at inter-county level. The geographical boundaries of most GAA counties map very closely, but not precisely, to current or former administrative counties, and where there is a difference in a GAA article the GAA meaning of county should take precedence. This has direct relevance to the open CFD discussion as to whether various County Derry GAA categories such as Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Londonderry should be replaced with categories referring to County Derry, which is the only name that the GAA county has ever had. Unfortunately the discussion has to date had only a few contributors, mostly people who have engaged elsewhere in the Derry/Londonderry debates. It would be good to hear from a few new voices. Brocach (talk) 19:29, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Located inconsistencies with two navigational boxes concerning teams from Down is anyone understands why.
  • Template:Down Hurling Team 2005 claims to be the "2009 All-Ireland Under-21 Football Runners Up"
  • Template:Down Minor Football Team 1987 claims to be "2005 All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championship Runners Up"
• Someone might want to check why this is.

Restored to last known good version . Gnevin (talk) 15:54, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gaelic games governing bodies in Northern Ireland, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:13, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A proposal on the use of Derry GAA naming conventions has been made at the talk page of Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Ireland-related_articles#Derry_GAA. Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have rescued this from the speedy-deletion queue (he had been confused with his son Billy Joe), added a couple of references including a splendid photograph, and tidied it up a bit, but it needs more work. JohnCD (talk) 22:26, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A bit more work done, but sourcing needs to be improved. Brocach (talk) 17:46, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are editors happy with the campaign by Laurel Lodged to rename, without any discussion, many GAA pages to insert "GAA" after the name of the relevant county? Thus:

• Antrim Minor Football Championship was moved to Antrim GAA Minor Football Championship
• Antrim Senior Football Championship Antrim GAA Senior Football Championship
• Antrim Senior Hurling Championship was moved to Antrim GAA Senior Hurling Championship

and so on, and on, and on...

Laurel Lodged has past form on renaming swathes of articles without consultation, but in this case it seems to be particularly pointless - who other than the GAA organises hurling championships? Brocach (talk) 17:46, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're wating your time here Brocach. Nothing but tumbleweed passing this project. But for the record, what about that GAA County Board known as London GAA? If the word GAA was removed from the title, would you recognise it? Which of the following are Gaelin Football and which Association Football (no cheating now): London Intermediate Football Championship, London Intermediate Cup, London Senior Cup, London Senior Football Championship, London Challenge Cup. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:48, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If I'm "wating" my time here I might as well just revert, but I prefer to allow discussion. You have not changed London to London GAA - as you know, the wrecking you have done has been at articles below GAA county level. I don't recognise any "Gaelin Football" items among the titles you mention but as a former member of London GAA I do of course know the names of London Gaelic football competitions. Brocach (talk) 00:46, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion would be nice . It would also be nice if the process was completed. There is stuff all over the place now Gnevin (talk) 16:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The solution is to revert the many title changes made by Laurel Lodged without discussion. No-one asked for all of these articles to be renamed to insert "GAA", when none of the competitions contain "GAA" in their names. The reasoning subsequently advanced is spurious: no-one else runs hurling competitions, and Laurel hasn't come up with a single instance of any other GAA competition name that is identical to a non-GAA competition, so that one article name or the other needs to be changed; he/she appears to have renamed all these articles 'just in case' any confusion might arise. Even if such an example could be found, it doesn't follow that it is always the GAA article that should change. Unfortunately, the dozens of changes made by Laurel can only be reversed by an admin (with time to spare). Brocach (talk) 17:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I largely agree with Bronach on the changing of titles withiut any discussion. The Armagh Senior Football Championship is not known as the Armagh GAA Senior Football Championship. Each of the articles should indicate that it is a Gaelic football or hurling competition organized by the Armagh GAA board. This should be the case for all counties. The only exceptions to this would possibly be London or New York or any other GAA competition organized outside of Ireland. This should be the case fro football anyway as there are certainly different versions and others are usually better known on the other countries. If we follow Laurel's pattern than we will have to rename every sporting competition to include the name of the association also. This is already done in competitions that have duplicate names, such as the Munster Senior Cup in rugby and soccer. I do not think we need to do that for every competition. Pmunited (talk) 20:42, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Laurel Lodged's renaming process, however it should of been brought to discussion first as it is on such a large scale. Mabuska ^(talk) 21:56, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As Laurel Lodged didn't bother to persuade anyone why the names should "of" been changed, can you suggest any reason, Mabuska? Brocach (talk) 22:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not bother? Did you even read my first contribution above? I thought that it cut to the heart of the matter. You may have been distracted parsing the contributions for spelling errors. I'm sure we're all grateful for your OED (or should that be OTT?) corrections. Anyhoooo....to make my point a tad more explicit. Firstly, "GAA" refers not to the competition but the sponsoring administrative body (e.g. Ulster GAA). Secondly, the name follows the name of the parent article (e.g. Ulster GAA). Thirdly, it disambiguates from other football competitions that might take place in Ulster from time to time - such as soccer, for example. Fourthly, neither Ulster GAA nor any other GAA "county" has a monopoly on the name "Ulster" or any other "county" among sporting bodies in Ulster or elsewhere. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:19, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your first comment above explained nothing whatever. It flew off at a tangent about London.

(1) The name of the competitions does not include the term "GAA". By renaming articles to insert "GAA" and disrupt the name of the competitions, you instantly make the articles less accurate and less useful, and in every case, you have left the bolded name in the lede in disagreement with your imposed title.

(2) As for the notion that the name of the "parent article" must determine the name of all others, can you explain why, for example, World Series isn't called "Major League Baseball World Series"? Why Pro 12 isn't "Celtic Rugby Limited Pro 12"? Why the Wimbledon Championships aren't listed as "All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club Championships, Wimbledon" and so on ad nauseam?

(3) How many other organisations in Ireland organise hurling competitions? Can you give one - just one - example of a GAA-run competition that shares its name with a competition in any other sport?

(4) Have I, or has anyone else ever, suggested that the GAA has a monopoly on county or province names?

I try to be polite here but your arrogance in unilaterally and pointlessly renaming dozens of GAA articles would try the patience of a saint. You must stop renaming huge numbers of articles without even attempting to explain yourself, never mind seek agreement. You are a vandal. Stay away from the GAA articles unless you are prepared to be civil and constructive. Brocach (talk) 22:42, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:London GAA Intermediate Football Championship .Requested move here Gnevin (talk) 13:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just because we have disagreed frequently on this point does not mean that you are right and I am wrong. Quite the opposite - most of your proposals re GAA have been defeated. Other forums have suggested that it you who is disruptive and that you should be topic banned. Up to this point, I have refrained from ad hominem attacks and tried to let the logic speak for itself. I will try to continue with my usual style of attacking the ball instead of the man, despite the temptation to do otherwise. Regarding your point "The name of the competitions does not include the term "GAA". At no time have I suggested that it does. This is a strawman argument. The name refers, not to the competition but to the competition's sponsoring body. So in long hand it would read "The senior level hurling competition organised by the County Board of Foo". As this would be a bit unwieldly, contractions must be employed. The current name is IMHO, the most attractive while serving a useful disambiguation purpose. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:09, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Note a parallel discussion is taking place here. It would be nice if we could agree on a common forum. We wouldn't want to encourage forum shopping. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see that Brocach has ignored my warning about forum shopping and has done precisely the opposite by opening a slew of discussions instead of centralising the discussion here. How exactly is that supoosed to result in a consistent decision? Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:20, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is only happening because you, Laurel Lodged, suddenly and unilaterally moved dozens of GAA articles away from the WP:COMMONNAME titles where they were created and, in most cases, had sat for years. You left others of exactly the same format unchanged, so consistency clearly matters little to you. I have posted on some - by no means all - of the moved pages to draw attention to the discussion going on at Talk:London GAA Intermediate Football Championship; you will notice that not one of the talk pages on which I have posted is among those listed at London for reversion. The many, many pages that you moved without discussion, never mind consensus, can only be moved back to their correct titles by an admin, because the cack-handed way you moved them resulted in a bot cleanup that adds to the history and so blocks straightforward editor moves. The amount of work that that will involve for one or more patient admins will be tackled more enthusiastically if more people participate in the discussion. That will only happen if people who use the GAA articles are made aware of what you have done and where it is being debated. Brocach (talk) 21:35, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:39, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"An article I created on Carrig and Riverstown GAA was nominated for Speedy Deletion and has now been deleted, speedily, before I could gather my thoughts. I believe that it is as notable as any other GAA club but its only my personal belief. The club is unusual as it straddles the Tipperary Offaly border with both Carrig and Riverstown in Tipp but the club playing for Offaly. Can anyone write an article in a way that makes it notable?

Belmonter (talk) 22:35, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Info on nomination below:

A tag has been placed on Carrig and Riverstown GAA requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Cindy(talk to me) 15:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)"[reply]

Did you keep a copy of the page? If not, can you obtain one from the link above? Which editor nominated this, on the face of it, interesting example of a cross-border club for deletion, and have you engaged with them? Brocach (talk) 22:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What a pity that the article was deleted. It would have been a perfect example of how "Tipperary GAA Clubs" (or "Tipperary GAA hurlers") is not co-extensive with "GAA clubs in County Tipperary" or "GAA hurlers from County Tipperary". I'm sure that some of those Carrig and Riverstown players would be highly insulted to be called "GAA hurlers from County Tipperary" if they were born in County Offaly. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:00, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_January_3#Category:Tipperary_hurlers and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armagh GAA Senior Leagues Gnevin (talk) 15:59, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is now one anomalous GAA category, "Tipperary GAA hurlers", which has just been renamed from the format followed for every other county, where "county hurlers" is rather than county GAA hurlers". The name of the team that GAA county players play for is, in every single case, one word - the name of the historic county, without adding "GAA". Anyone on this page will also probably know that all hurlers are GAA hurlers. The renaming was effected by an administrator following a discussion [here]. I believe that this was a mistake and have asked the admin to reconsider. If that is not successful I will propose reverting to the long-standing "Tipperary hurlers" category.

There were three move proposals made; the first (by Laurel Lodged, an editor with a history of moving multiple GAA pages without discussion, so this at least was a small advance) was to move to "Hurlers with Tipperary GAA", and this received one other vote in support. The second proposal was to move all GAA sportsperson categories to the format "county GAA sportsperson", which would mean e.g. "Tipperary GAA hurlers", "Cork GAA camogie players", "Tyrone GAA Gaelic footballers", "Dublin GAA Gaelic handballers" - affecting potentially over a hundred categories just at the county level, but categories like this also exist for provinces and for individual GAA clubs, of which there are over 2,500. This second proposal had two votes in favour: the proposer, who may or may not have been joking, and the proposer of the first option who changed his/her vote. There were then three votes in favour of renaming this one category, Tipperary hurlers, to "Tipperary GAA hurlers", with no mention of a wholesale renaming of all GAA player categories. Three editors voted against any renaming. The final score: option 1, 1 vote; option 2, 2 votes; option 3, 3 votes; no change, 3 votes. This was somehow interpreted as justifying the renaming of "Tipperary hurlers" to "Tipperary GAA hurlers".

As an editor of many GAA articles I feel strongly that this move was wrong in itself, in that it creates one category that differs from every other county hurlers category, and in that it is tautologous: all hurlers are GAA hurlers, just as all camogie players, Gaelic football players and Gaelic handballers are GAA people. Bit if I am wrong and the move was right in the case of Tipperary, every other GAA category should be renamed to that format. Do you support that, or do you think that the category should revert to "Tipperary hurlers"? Brocach (talk) 10:54, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For reasons unknown, an editor - Mabuska - has chosen to sidestep this page and bring to WkiProject Ireland proposals that could result in hundreds of unnecessary changes to GAA articles, all posited on a false claim of a breach of the Irish manual of style in relation to Derry GAA. Anyone interested in the quality of Wikipedia's GAA content should have their say. Brocach (talk) 15:19, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reasons unknown? What chutzpah! Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:40, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, of course, you think that "Nothing but tumbleweed pass[es] this project". Your conduct in relation to renaming well-established GAA articles tells me that you are pursuing an agenda here that has nothing to do with improving the coverage of the GAA on Wikipedia. Brocach (talk) 23:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What's that? My hearing aid must be unplugged. Laurel Lodged (talk) 00:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More unnecessary renaming of long-settled GAA categories proposed by the same individual here [2], and an attempt to have me banned here [3]. Brocach (talk) 21:31, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is a disgrace. I heartily support the proposal to ban the same individual and all other disruptive types and their sidekicks. Up with this we should not put. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:32, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can we talk about this in 1 place . There are 6 discussions going on now , 2 category moves ,2 page moves, 1 at IMOS and 1 here Gnevin (talk) 11:18, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Users may be aware that an editor has, in recent months, changed the names of scores of GAA categories and articles without engaging in discussion at the respective talk pages, even when expressly invited to do so, and has reverted any reversions of that change. After many, at times acrimonious, exchanges an admin has insisted that an attempt be made to resolve matters by consensus at this page, and in the interim, has threatened to block edits on these matters. The GAA articles and categories are thus effectively frozen in different styles. I begin this discussion by seeking consensus on two issues.

Views are sought on the following proposals. For ease of reading, please respond below rather than in the body of this posting. I present the two issues as proposals which, for the avoidance of doubt, I support. They could of course have been presented differently but one editor has to initiate this discussion.

(1) All articles on intra-county GAA competitions should continue to be named according to the common name of the competition, thus "Armagh Intermediate Football Championship", "Wicklow Senior Hurling Championship" etc. without the insertion of "GAA" after the county name, and without the (transient) sponsor name, unless cases emerge where there is a real possibility of confusion with another sporting competition;

(2) All categories covering people who have played on inter-county GAA teams should continue to be named in the long-established format ["GAA county name" "footballers/hurlers/camogie players/etc."], e.g. "Tipperary footballers", "Wexford camogie players", "Derry hurlers" etc., reflecting the fact that the team name is the name of the GAA county (e.g. Tipperary) without either the addition of "GAA" ("Tipperary GAA hurlers"), or diversion to sub-categories relating to modern administrative counties ("North Tipperary", "South Tipperary", "Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown" etc.). The same would apply to generic categories such as "Sportspeople from County Tipperary": a sportsperson who played on a representative team for his/her GAA county would be listed in the traditional 32-county category rather than in the modern administrative subdivision.

Please indicate below whether you Support or Oppose (1) and (2). While anyone can make alternative proposals on these two issues, I request that comments be kept brief (and polite) for the benefit of admins who will have to assess the outcome. Brocach (talk) 23:25, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for opening this discussion. It was I who suggested a further attempt at reaching consensus - and also I who has promised to block anyone making and/or reverting any such categories until this consensus is reached. Please report any infractions to my talk page if you'd like me to carry through on this. I don't think you will need an admin or anyone else to judge whether a consensus has been reached, but if you do and people want to ask me I will certainly give my opinion. I won't be supporting or opposing any proposals here - that's for you folks who know the topic to do. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 00:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could you split question 1 into two questions? You have accidental put two subjects (County name & sponsor name) into one question making the question useless. The same with question 2, where you have put two subjects (name of sport county & name of county where a sporter hails from) into one question making the question useless. The Banner talk 00:33, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hang on. In relation to sponsor names, which can change every year, are you actually proposing that in Wikipedia coverage of county championships, there must be a new article created on every occasion when the locally arranged sponsorship changes, in order to incorporate the name of the current sponsor in Wikipedia article titles? I had thought that my proposal that the article should carry the generic name - e.g. "Cork Senior Hurling Championship" - was uncontroversial, but if anyone thinks that a new article must be created every time that a new sponsor comes on board, please feel free to argue for that below.

As for the idea that "Kerry hurlers" etc. needs disambiguation between "men who hurl and come from Kerry" and "men who hurl and hurl for Kerry", I don't think that's a huge problem. There may be men who hurl for Kerry and come from Antrim - I can't think of any at the moment - and there may be men who come from Kerry and hurl for Antrim - stumped again - but in both cases, we are only talking about categories, and one man or one "sporter" (a new word for me, thanks) can easily fit in more than one category. Brocach (talk) 01:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What I suggest is plain this:

Question 1: Should the name of GAA competitions incorporate sponsor names?

Question 2: Should the name of GAA competitions incorporate the official name of the county (i.e. "county name" GAA "competition name)? Oppose if you prefer the popular name of the competition (i.e. "county name" "competition name)? Or the other way round, if you prefer that

Question 3: All categories covering people who have played on inter-county GAA teams should use a name according to the format ["GAA county name" "footballers/hurlers/camogie players/etc."]? Oppose if you prefer the format ["county name" GAA "footballers/hurlers/camogie players/etc."]? Or the other way round, if you prefer that

So far, no real changes in the questions expect split off and neutralisation of the questions. But the last part of the old question works out a bit different:

Question 4: Are categories about the county where a sports person is living related to the GAA-county? Oppose if you think it should be related to the geographical/administrative county they are living in? Example: is Paul Flynn (Gaelic footballer) a sports person from Dublin (plays county football for Dublin GAA) or from Fingal (he lives in Swords, Dublin, in the administrative county Fingal)

On all four question you can now say yes or no. The Banner talk 01:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Support (1) and Support (2) RashersTierney (talk) 02:13, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

PLEASE WAIT WITH VOTING TILL WE HAVE AGREED ON THE QUESTIONS TO ASK. AFTER THREE YEARS OF TROUBLE, A DAY MORE DOES NOT MATTER.— Preceding unsigned comment added by The Banner (talk • contribs) 02:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose 1 & 2 - Whether we are ready to proceed or not, the insertion of "GAA" afterwards makes it abundantly clear what exactly they are referring to. The proposals for exclusion of "GAA" in my view is simply so that "Derry GAA hurlers" etc. can be listed as simply "Derry hurlers" in clear attempts to bypass IMoS - and before Scolaire and brocach try to say how is it being violated - it only says usually abbreviated to [[Derry GAA|Derry]] <- this does not work with categories and article titles. Mabuska ^(talk) 09:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• In regards to TheBanner's valid points, a proposal that Derry GAA be exempt from Brocach's proposals should be made. Mabuska ^(talk) 09:39, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

a rare occasion but I agree with Mabuska here. I think articles of this nature should be appended with 'GAA'. Adding 'GAA' does not detract from the article or its content, only adding clarity. Ask yourself, does adding 'GAA' detract from the article? The answer is *NO.Factocop (talk) 09:50, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]