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This article should have ALL the TNA World Heavyweight Champions, from Ken Shamrock. Weird that it doesn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.135.172.84 (talk) 15:26, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That was not the TNA Title. Those are on the NWA List.--WillC 01:25, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are wrong. TNA's website lists them as being TNA World Heavyweight Champions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.135.172.84 (talk) 09:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well first, thats TNA's revisionist view. Its not fact. The fact is they were not TNA World Heavyweight Championship reigns as the title didn't exist until May 2007. Also, TNA don't have a title history on their website. So you are wrong. This is an encyclopedia, we list facts...not made up views.--WillC 00:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The present TNA website does not have the "Champions history"page, although they used to, and it started with Shamrock. There were webarchive links to it, which were on wikipedia, but now seem to be gone(hmmmm?)

However, the TNA site does contain such things as:

http://www.impactwrestling.com/roster/Wrestler-Roster/item/1583-jeff-jarrett

Notice that? "Jarrett has stacked up 6 TNA World Heavyweight Championships". Not NWA, but TNA.

or

http://www.impactwrestling.com/roster/Wrestler-Roster/item/1561-sting

Notice that? "He captured the TNA World Heavyweight Title three consecutive years at Bound for Glory as his territory. Each victory would continue to cement his legacy as he defeated Jeff Jarrett, Kurt Angle, and Samoa Joe"

As far as "TNA's revisionist view. It's not fact." Well, THEIR OWN WEBSITE says that those guys were TNA World Heavyweight Champions. Just because you read something somewhere else, doesn't make it so. We need to go with TNA themselves day, not some revisionist fanboy website that makes the term "Reliable Source" look quite frankly ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.135.172.84 (talk) 06:08, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Or from Ken Shamrock's website:

http://www.kenshamrock.com/biography/

Notice "TNA World Heavyweight Champion". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.135.172.84 (talk) 13:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the question, what title was won on June 19, 2002 by Ken Shamrock???? The NWA World Heavyweight Championship. That is a fact. It was not the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. TNA has tried to rewrite history, that is the point of a revisionist view. They want it to seem Jarrett was a 6 time TNA Champion. Its factually known through history that he won the NWA World Heavyweight Championship and never won the TNA Title yet since it was CREATED IN MAY 2007. We go by actual history, not what TNA wants people to think is history. If you would like to see the champions that were in TNA beforehand, see List of NWA World Heavyweight Champions, as this list never had those champions included. How do I know? I'm the one who helped create it, I'm also the one who expanded it to what it is today. You can't rewrite what is actually the truth, what actually happened.--WillC 03:57, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I seem to remember something about "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth - whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." Where did that come from? Quite apart from the fact that it is also true that Shamrock was the first TNA World Heavyweight Champion, it is also VERIFIED.

Your claims of "it is known through history" are unsourced. As far as "How do i know? I'm ther one who helped create it." that is not only unsourced, but also pretty arrogant.

Going by WP:RS this article needs to begin with Shamrock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.135.172.84 (talk) 05:27, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

TNA COULD start claiming tomorrow that they were founded in 1932, making it the oldest promotion in the world, but that wouldn't change what actually happened and it's not like it can't be verified (through reliable third party sources) that Shamrock (and everyone after him until 2007) won the NWA World Heavyweight Championship, not the TNA World Heavyweight Championship:

Pro Wrestling Torch: "Ken Shamrock beat Malace to end a 20 man Gauntlet for the Gold battle royal to capture the vacant NWA World Heavyweight Title" WrestleView: "Gauntlet For The Gold (Winner will be declared new NWA World Heavyweight Champion)". This is why third party sources are always preferred over self published material.TheFBH (talk) 07:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]