Would a performer who plays in a band that has a billboard charting album, has won awards grammy/juno, and the band has a large fan base be considered notable? For example, with under WP:NSPORT players are deemed notable if they participate on a professional team, regardless of news coverage. Does this same standard apply to musicians? For example Adrian_Young does not have significant news coverage as an individual However, No Doubt has significant coverage. Would he be considered notable by association, muchlike how soccer players are notable for playing on a good team? Nicweber (talk) 08:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Does a song need to chart or receive an award or get covered by multiple artists to receive an article within Wikipedia? Eduemoni^↑talk↓ 05:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That depends on who you ask. What it all boils down to is coverage in third-party sources; if you can write a decent article about it, it is probably notable. Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unless an article looks like this The Way You Love Me (Keri Hilson song)(without charting) then a song must chart in order to get a page. WP:NSONG is crystal clear. "Most songs do not rise to notability for an independent article and should redirect to another relevant article, [...] Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. Notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." Unless a song has charted or won something like a Grammy then it doesnt get a page, even if it has charted the article must not be a stub in order to get a page. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 05:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than simply saying no, let me bounce the question back: Under what circumstances should non-charting song should be covered independently, rather than just as a part of an album article? Jclemens (talk) 05:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A non-single may be notable if it has been ranked on several charts or been performed by the artist quite a bit (see Monster) or it has a music video. At the end of the day, it comes down to how much coverage in reliable third-party sources (ie meets the WP:GNG). Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:55, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Charting aside, there needs to be enough information for a detailed and reliably sourced article. An article should not be created until that exists. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 10:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NSONG is inclusive, not exclusive. That is, WP:NSONG is crystal clear that a charting song is going to be sufficiently notable to warrant an article (because of the ease in locating reliable sources documenting that chart position) but it isn't so clear on a non charting song. WP:NSONG really doesn't do much to help here and we must use WP:GNG instead. The Way You Love Me (Keri Hilson song) is an excellent example, another more recent one is Perform This Way which hasn't even been released for sale but controversy about it generated plenty of press in reliable sources making a decent article possible.--RadioFan (talk) 14:11, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Any objection to adding the following to the concert tours section?--RadioFan (talk) 14:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Individual tours which cannot be sufficiently referenced in 3rd party sources should be covered in a section on the artist's page rather than creating a dedicated article. One tour that meets notability guidelines does not make all tours by that artist notable.

 Done - no comments here after several days, text has been added to guideline.--RadioFan (talk) 18:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Criterion 5 reads: Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of whom are notable). Currently, artists who release large numbers of singles on notable record labels are excluded. This seems quite unfavourable to electronic dance music artists, where the scene thrives on singles/EPs and albums are rather rare to come across (unless these are compilation albums). I am not sure how I would word an update to this criterion, but I would be interested to hear what other editors think. doomgaze (talk) 23:26, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Those artists can still meet notability guidelines should those EPs or singles chart. WP:NALBUMS puts emphasis on the albums (from a notable label) because this indicates a level of commitment from the labels, presumably a reliable source. The level of commitment necessary to put out an EP or especially a single, especially today just isn't comparable. --RadioFan (talk) 23:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Of course there are many other criteria these artists could meet, you're quite right. Just referring to this one though, it seems rather arbitrary that albums should be the only releases counted. Having the threshold at 2 singles would be silly, but if it was set to let's say 10 singles (2 songs per single = 20 songs, roughly the same as 2 albums) I think this would show the same amount of commitment from a label as releasing two albums. doomgaze (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting... do you have any specific examples, Doomgaze? Adabow (talk · contribs) 00:42, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Record charts/RFC has been relatively unattended, and I would like to hear more voices.—Kww(talk) 18:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Typing Mozart Violin Sonatas into the search box, and expecting to find a more-or-less complete listing of these, I am instead taken to an article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart:_Violin_Sonatas which turns out to be an entry for a CD of Hilary Hahn playing exactly four of Mozart's ~25-30 sonatas for violin. Just what is the point of this, other than frustrating Wikipedia users? There is no discussion presented of the four sonatas, simply a track listing, with no timings or other information to make the page even minimally useful; and the issuer's catalog number is not provided. Putting this identical search term into Amazon yields 1,512 results - shall we make separate Wikipedia article pages for them all? I myself have some 20 CDs of Mozart violin sonatas, by various performers, probably most of whom are as notable as Hahn - would I be welcomed to create new WP pages for all these? I think not, and I recommend this and other similar pages for deletion, as nothing more than useless and misleading clutter. The article on Hahn already contains an extensive discography, several other entries similarly linking to "articles" on specific discs.

Certainly many specific albums or CDs can be considered "notable" and worthy of their own separate WP entries - for instance, in classical music, where the composer performs his/her own work; or in complete collections such as the 6-CD reissue of the Boskovsky/Kraus recordings of the Mozart sonatas from the 1950s. But it's hard to see how random selections of compositions, by random performers, can rise to being sufficiently "notable" as to warrant their own separate articles. Milkunderwood (talk) 09:37, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]