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The definition of atheism used here is sourced in part to [http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/40634/atheism Britannica]. I tried to verify the second part of the quote in the reference but searching the entry comes up with nothing. The text in question is the following - "...Instead of saying that an atheist is someone who believes that it is false or probably false that there is a God, a more adequate characterization of atheism consists in the more complex claim that to be an atheist is to be someone who rejects belief in God for the following reasons (which reason is stressed depends on how God is being conceived)...". I was trying to find the reasons listed at first, but could not find this line in the entry at all. Can someone fix this or help me find from where the quote comes please. Thanks.[[User:Griswaldo|Griswaldo]] ([[User talk:Griswaldo|talk]]) 18:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC) |
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Ontological arguments sub-section
I was reading through the article and came across the following sentences that don't appear grammatically correct. Found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Theoretical_atheism
- "The italian philosopher Carlo Tamagnone i.e. is one of atheist thinkers which assume as basis of their thought the ontological arguments in many his books. In 2010 he issued his last essay titled "God don't exists" (Dio non esiste) just based on ontological reasons concerning physics and biology."
Not being familiar with the details of the information trying to be conveyed I am hesitant to make a change. I would rewrite trying to retain it as I understand it as:
- Some theoretical atheists thinkers assume the ontological arguments as basis of their thought. Among such thinkers is Italian philosopher Carlo Tamagnone who presents these ideas in many of his books and an essay based on ontological reasons concerning physics and biology, titled "God don't exists" (Dio non esiste)
Although, having no specific reference currently I am not sure of the validity of the statements. Thoughts? --Ralajer (talk) 14:13, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Rationale
I don't think the arguments under theoretical atheism cover all reasons for atheisms, i don't know what it would technically be called but what seems an obvious reason to reject religion is the contradictions between many holy texts and the realities of the physical world. Im not talking about contradictions in the definition of a god like omniscience etc, im talking about how the likeliness of any god as described by any religion could possibly exist is very low. Once all world religions can be discredited then wether or not god exists seems redundant. This is a terrible explanation sorry, but i thought the rationale at the moment was incomplete. 114.76.63.231 (talk) 09:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Worldwide Population
A worldwide population of 2.3%?
The only "first-world" country with any sizeable theistic population is the US. The last census I looked at capriciously (or maybe deceitfully) split atheists, agnostics, and "none" into three separate groups.
Europe and Russia is 80+% atheist.
China has 1 billion atheists.
The source for the numbers used in the article was the Encyclopedia Brittanica. Maybe you need to check some other sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbrundle (talk • contribs) 20:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
- Citation please? ldvhl (talk) 11:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- There is no evidence to support "China has 1 billion atheists" whatsoever. While it is true that the Chinese communist government endorses (and has often enforced) atheism, the reality is that a majority of Chinese people are religious. See Religion in China for more details. The statistics quoted by User:Sbrundle are basically nonsense. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- There is a difference between religion and theism. Buddhism and Daoism are often non-theist - depends on the variant. Formal Daoism is completely atheist, folk Daoism and folk Buddhism is often theist. OmarKhayyam (talk) 16:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Bias?
Why does every religion article have a criticism link under See also but this Atheism page does not? Is it ironic? I'll assume good faith and add in the link myself. 98.176.12.43 (talk) 05:02, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
- There are several links to Criticism of Atheism in the article, so there is no need to duplicate the link in the "See also" section. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Atheism and Morality
No citation(s) for The bulleted section of Atheism and Morality. The section could very well be accurate, but the lack of citation(s) throw it into question. Also, I apologize about the NPOV boiler for the proceeding text; I couldn't find the "in need of citation" link code:
- In the U.S. states with the highest percentages of atheists, the murder rate is lower than average. In the most religious U.S. states, the murder rate is higher than average.
- Only 0.2% of U.S. prisoners are atheists.
- Atheists are more tolerant towards women's and homosexuals' rights.
- Atheism and secularism correlate with high levels of education, and low levels of racial prejudice.
- Atheists physically abuse their children less often than others, and more often encourage them to think independently.
- In Sweden, the most secular country in the world according to Zuckerman, the charitable aid given is the highest as a proportion of GDP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lusitanic rīvālis azure (talk • contribs) 08:16, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
- 2 sources (#120 and #121) are cited via the opening sentence. The template is {{citation needed}} (or abbreviated {{cn}}). --Cybercobra (talk) 11:25, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Britannica quote fails verification
The definition of atheism used here is sourced in part to Britannica. I tried to verify the second part of the quote in the reference but searching the entry comes up with nothing. The text in question is the following - "...Instead of saying that an atheist is someone who believes that it is false or probably false that there is a God, a more adequate characterization of atheism consists in the more complex claim that to be an atheist is to be someone who rejects belief in God for the following reasons (which reason is stressed depends on how God is being conceived)...". I was trying to find the reasons listed at first, but could not find this line in the entry at all. Can someone fix this or help me find from where the quote comes please. Thanks.Griswaldo (talk) 18:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
