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This entire section is in violation of the WP:TRIV guidelines for lists of trivia. Most of the section is unsourced and full of non-notable information, and therefore faces mass deletion unless rewritten to comply with wikipedia policy. magnius (talk) 14:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the information should be sourced, but not that it is non-notable. The general consensus among most editors of this page is that these references in popular culture make a statement about how Journey is more than just a rock band but has become a "concept." A bit over a year ago I moved the basis for this section over from a dedicated page.

Let's encourage that it be sourced as much as possible, and perhaps the top of the section should explain what I just said.

Dave Golland (talk) 12:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Evenn with sources, it is still an indiscriminate list of non-notable trivia that violates WP:TRIV. We really don't need a list of films and TV episodes that Journey songs have appeared in, so that will be the first casualty of a cull. It is enough to say that their songs have featured in many films and television shows, and offer a few of the more notable examples...but "Wheel in the Sky" was played on a recap segment of the sci-fi show Supernatural." is a completly unnecessary piece of filler that adds nothing but useless bulk to the article. We also don't need pointless information about the bands posters being seen in the background in films, or the fact that a snippet of a song can be heard on a car radio in an episode/film. The gameshows section is being culled right now, it's ridiculously unencyclopedic and non-notable. magnius (talk) 12:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Dave Golland (talk) 16:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, as well. Why is it that almost every wikipedia page on rock bands is littered with references to 'The Simpsons' and 'Family Guy'? Is there someone out there who feels it is their duty to list every time a musician gets mentioned on the 'The Simpsons'? I find it odd that under the listing 'Television' there is no mention of Journey's 1979 performance on the television show 'The Midnight Special', yet here we have both 'The Simpsons' and 'Family Guy' references. This is useless and uninformative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bty86 (talk • contribs) 06:03, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

After a year, it seems clear to me that drastic action is needed. When I first put it in, I thought the section was useful. Now I think it adds too much work to those of us who are serious about the page. We are constantly revising additional mentions of Journey in current TV shows. A brief paragraph at the end of the history stating that the music of Journey has been heard in countless television shows and movies and been the these song for sports teams (etc.) should suffice. Objections? Dave Golland (talk) 16:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is it just me, or...?

It is interesting that Steve Perry is a naturalized US Citizen of Portuguese lineage and Brazilian birth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Perry_(musician)) though the Journey wiki (ref. #38) devotes a portion of the entry to the race and nationality of their new lead singer and not their first, best one. Much talk about 'racism' and Filipino Arnel Pineda and how he was discovered on YouTube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda), and his Oprah appearance seems to take a skewed view of the facts. It is said that Journey is no longer just an 'American' band - they are a 'World' band. The Journey wiki does not even touch on Perry's origins; why not? But Pineda's origins are clearly mentioned. You have to read about Perry on his wiki entry to discover where he's from, and even then, it's vague as to how he came to the States. For me, it proves we have far to go to get over the fact that America STILL does not fully acknowledge its own native citizens, but serves to define differences between native-born Americans and everyone else. Who cares where Pineda is from? I don't. If others do, why don't they care as much where Perry is from? Though everyone is invited to partake in the American dream, not everyone is defined as an equal, with the only attribute of being able to dream qualifying one to partake. Do you think Neal Schon weighed the nationality attributes of Pineda before 'hiring' him? I'd be curious to know. For an area as multicultural as the San Francisco Bay Area, where Journey is from, where Perry grew up as a teen, where tens of thousands of Filipino Americans live, is it fair to say that a Filipino is more 'American' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_American#Dual_citizenship), than a Brazilian, or any other non-US country that we do not have territorial influence over? If being Filipino is better than being Brazilian, as far as America's opinion goes, Pineda's nationality would naturally be less significant than Perry's, not more. If the question of whether rock music fans are racist is the issue, let's talk about the origins of rock and roll, and squash it quickly.

American is a term, an adjective, to define citizenship and devotion to the flag and freedom and the principals and duty to preserve its existence, not race, not heritage. Whether the members of a band are American or not, to 'define' the band, is really irrelevant, unless they take up a rifle and stand a post to defend the flag. Can they still bring it? No, not without Steve Perry. Will I buy their album? I might. Will I buy their concert ticket? Certainly. That's all that matters, right?

Now, I've been a fan of Journey since I was born and knew the words to their songs in the seventies. I can pull karaoke with the best of them. I am from the SF Bay Area. I am an Iraqi War veteran and a college graduate who studied culture. So I feel I am able to weigh in, here. And if you wonder what my race is, and why this bothers me so much, because I am American, does it matter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.85.246 (talk) 05:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think what sets the difference is not ethnic origin itself but as you've mentioned Perry is a naturalized US citizen(I guess he was already a US citizen by the time the joined the band); whereas in Pineda's case, he was directly 'plucked' out of the Philippines. The dude is not even fluent in English, he can speak some English but he has a thick accent(as compared to 1.5 and 2nd generation Americans) and is struggling with words during interviews. I think the reason why Journey released that statement in defense of Pineda is because of what I have stated above, he was flown from the Philippines to the US for an audition. And some people came out complaining that an Asian man straight from Asia is fronting one of America's legendary bands. That being said, Pineda is not an American citizen and he needs five years of residency before he could apply for it but I don't think he will. If I'm not mistaken he has work visa, not immigrant visa. So most likely, Pineda will remain a Philippine citizen. Something that makes the difference.

Edit: I've trawled the web and Pineda does not have any plan to immigrate to the US. He only comes to the US when working with Journey. Otherwise, he stays in the Philippines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.232.82 (talk) 13:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

• Comment - You don't think this is something for WP:ECCN, I hope, 97.113.85.246? Boldly remove the contested material; discussion will follow... Doc9871 (talk) 09:33, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

At Jethro Tull's wikipedia page we can see a very interesting Member History Timeline, which shows when each member entered and left the band, and when the albums were released - would be interesting seeing this here too! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.51.87 (talk) 12:01, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that the German Music Charts are not represented in the studio albums discography portion and I havent been able to figure out how to add a section for "German Music Charts" but if someone knows how to do that they can add that the album Revelation debuted in Germany at #35 in the studio albums section.

Thanks,

Journey84 (talk) 21:03, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly were the "undercurrents of racism" that resulted in a supposed handful of Journey fans rejecting Pineda as a lead singer? This article doesn't say, and the cited source kind of handwaves over it as well, implying that there were a few offensive posts on random message boards. This mini-paragraph needs to be removed, improved, or at least given a "weasel words" tag, which I think I'll do. Thunderbunny (talk) 06:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For the "undercurrents", do a search on YouTube for any of the current Journey's videos featuring Arnel Pineda, and you'll see a handful of posters making racist comments about Pineda. It happens too consistently to be random -- there's a couple known YouTube accounts (NoSteveNoJourney is the most notorious) that appear making the same comments on almost all of Pineda's vids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.3.225 (talk) 04:39, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

...so some random guy, that could be a Journey fan or some bored teenager, signed up for a YouTube account under the name NoSteveNoJourney and obsessively posted the same or similar comments on a bunch of YouTube videos. Gee, that's so interesting. Seriously, you just basically rephrased what I said above, that the "racist" response to Pineda appears to be limited to a handful of anonymous Internetters that could be enumerated with two hands. That's one variation of Wikipedia's working definition of weasel words...turning "this one guy on this message board" into a phenomenon of encyclopedic significance. Thunderbunny (talk) 07:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the information on Steve Perry's debut is incorrect. I was at an outdoor concert in August of 1977 (Super Bowl of Rock Series - Soldier's Field) and Steve Perry was introduced as the new lead singer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.59.102.18 (talk) 15:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Several band members have said that Perry was "tried out" during the Fleischman tour. Dave Golland (talk) 04:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I believe these edits are in good faith, but there are some problems and so they must be discussed here.

Wrong again! Here's the real deal of why Anysley Dunbar was fired. In fact Steve Perry & Anysley Dunbar co-wrote "Feeling That Way" with Gregg Rolie on the 1978 Columbia/CBS release of "Infinity". reference: http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/page6.html

What you have listed here is a lie! 1. Dunbar's firing: According to the Flans book, Dunbar was fired because of musical differences with Perry. If there is other information which would result in a change in the way the firing is described on the page, user must provide a reference; one cannot simply remove the Flans reference.

Steve Perry and Anysley Dunbar never had a contention with each other whatsoever! Get your facts straight!!!! http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/page6.html

2. Removal of other references (discography, etc). Users should not remove any references unless they can provide a replacement. If the reference link is no longer valid, users should say so in the edit summary and the ref should be replaced with "ref needed."

3. Soto's firing: to say that it happened because the band was looking to return to the Perry-style sound may be true but without a reference is POV. Better to say that Pineda is closer to the Perry sound than Soto--but even that would require a reference.

That said, it's always great to have another committed contributor!

Dave Golland (talk) 13:36, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]