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==Armenia is "Entirely in Asia, but historically considered European"?=== |
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This sounds citiation. Please provide sources that would indicated that Armenia is "historically considered European". Incusion of other Caucasian countries is doubtful as well BTW. [[User:Netrat|Netrat]] ([[User talk:Netrat|talk]]) 17:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC) |
This sounds citiation. Please provide sources that would indicated that Armenia is "historically considered European". Incusion of other Caucasian countries is doubtful as well BTW. [[User:Netrat|Netrat]] ([[User talk:Netrat|talk]]) 17:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== Parameters to show/hide EU, SMOM, UK-countries, Vatican == |
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Currently the "Europe topic" template is divided in three sections: sovereign states, other entities (sui-generis supranational entity - EU, sovereign non-state entitiy - SMOM), dependencies/autonomies/territories. |
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*The second can be shown/hidden with the parameter "no_other_entities=yes". |
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*The third can be shown/hidden with the parameter "countries_only=yes". |
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Additionaly there are four entity-specific show/hide parameters: |
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*links to non-existing articles for the Vatican City are not shown (done with #ifexist extension) |
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*if some topic is not applicable to ALL of the UK constituent countries the corresponding links can be hidden with the parameter "UK_only=yes" |
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*if some topic is not applicable to the European Union the corresponding link can be hidden with the parameter "no_EU=yes" |
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*if some topic is not applicable to the European Union the corresponding link can be hidden with the parameter "no_SMOM=yes" |
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Using #ifexist vs. explicit "do-not-show"-parameter: |
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In general links to non-existing articles can be usefull, because if there is no "Culture of France" article and some reader of the "Culture of Italy" article sees the red link in the template on the bottom and he can contribute and create the missing article. Additionaly it is very common for the Vatican/EU/SMOM articles to have different names (for example instead of "Vatican City" in the name, as used in the template link, the appropriate article can be with "Holy See". The same is with European Union/European Commission/etc., Sovereign Military Order/Order of Malta/Military Order of Malta/etc. combinations). Additioanly the prefixes like "in/of/to" and the use/no use of "the" before EU/SMOM/Vatican are different for most entities on the template and these three. One example for such discrepancy is the following: "Diplomatic missions to the Holy See" instead of the generic link that the template creates: "Diplomatic missions in Vatican City" (in this example we have all three errors in linking: "to/in", "the", name-difference). |
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This is easy avoided by creating the appropriate redirects, but in order to do this the template should show the corresponding red link to non-existing article (then the users can click on it, search, find the appropriate article and creat redirect). |
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A positive side of "#ifexist" is its automatic application, without manualy adding a "do-not-show". |
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Should the Vatican-option be changed to "do-not-show" or some of the UK/EU/SMOM options to "#ifexist"?[[User:Alinor|Alinor]] ([[User talk:Alinor|talk]]) 09:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC) |
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Redlink titles
The Africa template has the following code that prevents redlinks in the titles: |title = {{#if:{{{title|}}} | {{{title}}} | {{#ifexist:{{{1|{{{prefix|}}}}}}_Africa{{{2|{{{suffix|}}}}}} | [[{{{1|{{{prefix|}}}}}} Africa{{{2|{{{suffix|}}}}}}]] | {{{1|{{{prefix|}}}}}} Africa{{{2|{{{suffix|}}}}}} }} }} See Category:Bahá'í_Faith_by_country for an example of how these templates look side by side. Could this be implemented here too please. Thanks AndrewRT(Talk) 23:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
superscript 1
just passing by to let anyone watching this template know that the footnote for superscript 1 is missing. If I knew what it is I would fix it. Regards—G716 <T·C> 02:35, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Autonomies?
OK, this template is getting out of hand. Sometime last year, someone has added every region of Russia that has "autonomous" in its name, and also Vojvodina. The way I see it, if we are ridiculous, we should be ridiculous all the way, and add all the autonomous regions of Spain and Italy, the Free State of Bavaria and a host of other things; or, we could remove these and only leave territories that really enjoy a special status. Nikola (talk) 05:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with you. I would even go further and include only fully recognised nations and territories. --Axt (talk) 17:00, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
- However, there are 21 republic in Russian Federation. They are not just autonomies like Vojvodina, but fully non-Russian nations.--Riwnodennyk ✉ 19:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Useful - not POV
Items should be included if a reasonable user might look for them. We are not making statements about geography, politics or tectonics, simply speeding users navigation of WP. Armenia is for example a member of the Council of Europe. I propose we simply reduce the number of footnotes to one, "Not always considered part of Europe". Rich Farmbrough, 16:06 30 January 2009 (UTC).
- Good idea. Ben MacDui 17:37, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Deprecate use of "regions of" switch"
I have severe reservations about the use of the switch "regions of" with this template and its potential for confusing readers - please see Template_talk:Regions of Europe (a template duplicated by the use of this switch) and Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2009 March 2#Template:Regions of Europe for details. Knepflerle (talk) 01:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Article (grammatical) issue
Is it possible to suppress the use of the "|article=yes" parameter on {{i2c}} for particular values of {{{prefix}}}? When the country name is intended as the first word of a title, the current code generates names such as Category:The United Kingdom templates, instead of Category:United Kingdom templates, which would make more sense. (See {{Europe templates}} for the source of this example, where {{{prefix}}} is ':Category:'.) --R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Answered my own question -- included "article = no" in the parameters of {{Europe templates}} and that solved the problem. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:33, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Regions
In the section of dependencies and autonomous regions, appears Catalonia, but I don't see the Basque Country? The Basque Country has more history, conflicts, own police, and it has the most autonomous regional government of Spain. I don't understand why some appears and other don't. --An13sa (talk) 16:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Armenia is "Entirely in Asia, but historically considered European"?=
This sounds citiation. Please provide sources that would indicated that Armenia is "historically considered European". Incusion of other Caucasian countries is doubtful as well BTW. Netrat (talk) 17:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Parameters to show/hide EU, SMOM, UK-countries, Vatican
Currently the "Europe topic" template is divided in three sections: sovereign states, other entities (sui-generis supranational entity - EU, sovereign non-state entitiy - SMOM), dependencies/autonomies/territories.
- The second can be shown/hidden with the parameter "no_other_entities=yes".
- The third can be shown/hidden with the parameter "countries_only=yes".
Additionaly there are four entity-specific show/hide parameters:
- links to non-existing articles for the Vatican City are not shown (done with #ifexist extension)
- if some topic is not applicable to ALL of the UK constituent countries the corresponding links can be hidden with the parameter "UK_only=yes"
- if some topic is not applicable to the European Union the corresponding link can be hidden with the parameter "no_EU=yes"
- if some topic is not applicable to the European Union the corresponding link can be hidden with the parameter "no_SMOM=yes"
Using #ifexist vs. explicit "do-not-show"-parameter:
In general links to non-existing articles can be usefull, because if there is no "Culture of France" article and some reader of the "Culture of Italy" article sees the red link in the template on the bottom and he can contribute and create the missing article. Additionaly it is very common for the Vatican/EU/SMOM articles to have different names (for example instead of "Vatican City" in the name, as used in the template link, the appropriate article can be with "Holy See". The same is with European Union/European Commission/etc., Sovereign Military Order/Order of Malta/Military Order of Malta/etc. combinations). Additioanly the prefixes like "in/of/to" and the use/no use of "the" before EU/SMOM/Vatican are different for most entities on the template and these three. One example for such discrepancy is the following: "Diplomatic missions to the Holy See" instead of the generic link that the template creates: "Diplomatic missions in Vatican City" (in this example we have all three errors in linking: "to/in", "the", name-difference). This is easy avoided by creating the appropriate redirects, but in order to do this the template should show the corresponding red link to non-existing article (then the users can click on it, search, find the appropriate article and creat redirect).
A positive side of "#ifexist" is its automatic application, without manualy adding a "do-not-show".
Should the Vatican-option be changed to "do-not-show" or some of the UK/EU/SMOM options to "#ifexist"?Alinor (talk) 09:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)