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What if TNA uses the NWA title history from TNA's inception in 2002 up til now? Meaning all people who won the NWA title under the TNA umbrella will be considered a TNA World Champion? --  Jลмєs Mลxx™  Msg me  01:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who says they'll do that? WCW didn't. TNA has had no problem refering to their wrestlers as former champions of another promotion (which we must now consider the NWA to be), and I don't expect this to change. Everyone before now was an NWA World Champion, and that'll never change. Mshake3 01:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They most likely will put a break in their world title history and note that the NWA World title was the predecessor to the TNA title. TonyFreakinAlmeida 01:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just to entertain the thought for a moment, if TNA does decide to consider TNA-era NWA Champions as TNA Champions, I think we should still begin the lineage with Cage; TNA may've controlled the NWA World Heavyweight Championship from 2002 through last night, but they don't control its lineage. If TNA does take that stance, it should probably get a mention in the history, but the list of former TNA Champions should only reflect post-May 13 title holders. Jeff Silvers 03:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.tnawrestling.com/info/history/tnaworldtitle.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by MC511 (talk • contribs) 03:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well damn. TNA did it. It also looks like somebody has decided to alter the article to reflect TNA's revisionism. TNA has no authority over the NWA World Heavyweight Championship anymore, and I don't think they have the right to decide that former NWA Champions (even those who won the title under TNA's control) are suddenly TNA Champions. Besides, this brings up a troubling point: the NWA still recognizes the TNA-era title holders. So are they NWA or TNA Champions? We can't very well credit each of them with twice as many world titles as they're due. Jeff Silvers 04:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and there's this little note on the official TNA World Heavyweight Championship history between Cage's NWA reign and his TNA reign:

TNA leaves the NWA; NWA World Heavyweight Title is replaced with the TNA World Heavyweight Title.

It probably sounds like a semantic argument, but I think the wording is important here: the TNA World Heavyweight Championship replaced the NWA World Heavyweight Championship, confirming that they are, in fact, separate titles. Jeff Silvers 05:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have a feeling that TNA's uploading of the page may have been premature and based on the spoilers for Impact they may be changing the title history to something that makes a bit more sense. TonyFreakinAlmeida 00:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Title Dates --- Wiki intends for us to use the date that any title changes/vacations were aired and not taped. Seeing as TNA tends to do 2 or 3 tapings per show it's possible for someone to win a title in the first hour, then lose it by the third. TNA would count the person's reign as two weeks, so it can't hurt to make the Wiki page(s) accurate along with the way they count. TakerVersion1TakerV1

Christian Cage was NWA World Champion when he was stripped by the National Wrestling Alliance, TNA still recognized Christian as their World champion, so by default, Cage is the first TNA World Champion.

Cage went into Sacrifice as TNA World Champion, Kurt Angle won the match, thus winning the title.

Then Jim Cornette stripped Angle due to the controversial Pin on Cage/Ankle Lock on Sting.

Do not change this list, TNA credits Cage with 3 World Titles (He has 2 NWA World Titles, so that has to make the other one the TNA World Title) and Angle with 1 World Title (for TNA) so that too must be the TNA World Title. By the by, that gives Kurt 7 World Titles overall.

Ohgltxg 20:54 May 26, 2007 (UTC)

I just watched Sacrifice again and they NEVER announced Christain as world heavyweight champion...what they did do was announce Cage as "The defending NWA Champion" which since is untrue NO title was on the line at Sacrifice, so Cage and Angle had no title wins..But the FIRST time that the TNA world title was on the line was Slammiversary...on the pre-show Jeremy Borash said " tonight the King Of The Mountain match will be to crown the FIRST EVER TNA World Champion" and also it was the first time the TNA belt was on the graphic. So basically this proves that Kurt Angle is the FIRST EVER TNA Champion. I am even watching impact right now and they are reffering to Angle as the First TNA Champion.

Tony— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.46.185 (talk) 04:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is the third freaking page you have posted this on. Cage is the first champion, then Angle twice in a row. End of story. Learn to sign your posts. TJ Spyke 04:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tony, Kurt Angle is the first "undisputed" TNA World Champion. Cage was the first champion, and Angle the second.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MC511 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the match at Sacrifice was promoted as a NWA Title match— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.1.71 (talk) 05:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

a lot of this is not true. TNA clearly state Angle to have held the title twice. See for yourself: http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/kurtangle/index.html (86.153.189.238 14:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Please continue your discussion on Talk:TNA World Heavyweight Championship. --Aaru Bui ^DII 00:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Today on iMPACT! at the end they stated this: "The next step in the evolution of the World Heavyweight Championship will be decided this Sunday in King of the Mountain at Slammiversary." While this was being said they showed clips of their first champion, Ken Shamrock, and others such as Ron Killings, Jeff Jarrett, AJ Styles, Raven, Rhino, Christian Cage, Sting, Abyss, and former TNA World Heavyweight Champion, Kurt Angle. This definitely spells it out that the World Heavyweight Champions in TNA are all under the same lineage. It's just that from June 19, 2002 to May 13, 2007, all World Champions in TNA were recognized by the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA). After that, the recognition was dropped and the title was replaced with the TNA World Heavyweight Title, continuing the lineage of World Champions in TNA Wrestling.

Here is what the title history should look like: http://www.cygywrestling.com/titlehistories/tnaworldheavyweighttitle.html MC511 02:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong. The NWA and TNA World Titles are 2 completely different entities. Here's another way of putting this: On RAW, Coach said that John Cena would face any former World Champion on the RAW roster at Vengeance. So post-draft that left us with Mick Foley (3 WWE Titles), Bobby Lashley (2 ECW Titles), King Booker (5 WCW, 1 World Title), and Randy Orton (1 World Title). All are considered World Championships, but they all have completely different lineages.

Same theory for TNA, they consider Christian Cage as a 3 time World Champion (2 NWA, 1 TNA), I don't think the intent of the promo was to show that Ken Shamrock on down all held the same title, but merely to show that they were all former World Champions, and that a new name would be added to the list at Slammiversary. Basically, TNA has promoted 2 World Championships, The NWA belt (which they no longer have) and the brand new TNA belt. Both are considered World Titles, but they have different lineages.

Ohgltxg 20:49 15 June, 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.205.110.150 (talk) 20:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It counts, scroll to the bottom of this page to read all about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:TNA_World_Heavyweight_Championship MC511 02:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's too bad that they consider Cage a 2 time champ, not 3. That would be 2 NWA. Says as such on his profile. Projectmayhem44 04:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At the main page of the TNA_World_Heavyweight_Championship

It says that Christian Cage is the first holder of the TNA World Heavyweight Championship.

It's not mentioned here and Kurt Angle is listed as the first. One article needs to be amended. As I understood it, Christian Cage had it, but 'lost it' to Kurt Angle. Now, we can't have both articles saying that Cage was the first TNA champion if he wasn't as the above discussion. Some explanation needs to be put in there.White43 20:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, and I notice it's written here. Why isn't Cage in the table? White43 20:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No Angle is the first TNA Champion— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.1.71 (talk) 05:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, no - he's not - it's already been discussed that Cage is. 87.127.178.28 09:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cage became the de facto Champion immediatly when he was stripped of the NWA Championship. He was first, even if never announced. -TakerV1— Preceding unsigned comment added by TakerVersion1 (talk • contribs) 03:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check this out: http://www.tnawrestling.com/news/fullnews2.php?all=1415 MC511 01:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was just Banks' opinion, not TNA's official stance.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohgltxg (talk • contribs) 17:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Until TNA comes out with an official title history again, we might be forced to use his reasoning, being that's it's official. Mshake3 17:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See the TNA profile of Kurt Angle: "TNA Title History: World Heavyweight Champion (2)"

The title history is Angle, Vacant, Angle (2). --KingOfDX 20:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's been discussed. my opinion is that we should recognize the NWA world title win that TNA claims through this page as it served as a transition to the creation of the TNA World Title, and it is a title no matter who had the rights to it at the time, at this time that's how it is. TonyFreakinAlmeida 02:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]