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::Yes "revivalist versions of vernacular or later [[architecture in Normandy]], such as the "Norman farmhouse style" popular for larger houses." - one version of your ii) above. [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Norman+farmhouse+style%22&client=firefox-b-e&sca_esv=bf2e6ac576f1796d&ei=fSSsZ5DsLK6phbIP7sePsQU&ved=0ahUKEwjQnr7-pr2LAxWuVEEAHe7jI1YQ4dUDCBI&oq=%22Norman+farmhouse+style%22&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGCJOb3JtYW4gZmFybWhvdXNlIHN0eWxlIjIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABSPMuUPIKWOIYcAF4AZABAJgBswOgAe0EqgEHMC4xLjQtMbgBDMgBAPgBAZgCA6AClwbCAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgIFEAAY7wXCAggQABiiBBiJBcICCBAAGIAEGKIEmAMAiAYBkAYIkgcHMC4yLjQtMaAHpQU&sclient=gws-wiz-serp Plenty of examples here], few looking anything much like actual farmhouses in actual Normandy. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 04:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC) |
::Yes "revivalist versions of vernacular or later [[architecture in Normandy]], such as the "Norman farmhouse style" popular for larger houses." - one version of your ii) above. [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Norman+farmhouse+style%22&client=firefox-b-e&sca_esv=bf2e6ac576f1796d&ei=fSSsZ5DsLK6phbIP7sePsQU&ved=0ahUKEwjQnr7-pr2LAxWuVEEAHe7jI1YQ4dUDCBI&oq=%22Norman+farmhouse+style%22&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGCJOb3JtYW4gZmFybWhvdXNlIHN0eWxlIjIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABSPMuUPIKWOIYcAF4AZABAJgBswOgAe0EqgEHMC4xLjQtMbgBDMgBAPgBAZgCA6AClwbCAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgIFEAAY7wXCAggQABiiBBiJBcICCBAAGIAEGKIEmAMAiAYBkAYIkgcHMC4yLjQtMaAHpQU&sclient=gws-wiz-serp Plenty of examples here], few looking anything much like actual farmhouses in actual Normandy. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 04:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|Johnbod}}, can you suggest any ideas on how to disambiguate categories for i) and ii)? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 23:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC) |
:::{{ping|Johnbod}}, can you suggest any ideas on how to disambiguate categories for i) and ii)? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 23:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC) |
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::::What exactly is the problem? Please state it clearly. We have [[:Category:Neo-Norman architecture in the United States]] and a Canadian one. I don't know we have any articles on French revivalist efforts. Btw, you quote ""Norman style", also known as "Lombard style"" - I've never heard the latter, used of the UK. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 00:42, 13 February 2025 (UTC) |
::::What exactly is the problem? Please state it clearly. We have [[:Category:Neo-Norman architecture in the United States]] and a Canadian one. I don't know we have any articles on French revivalist efforts. The category note at [[:Category:Neo-Norman architecture]] says of the style "It has nothing to do with the version of [[Romanesque architecture]] called [[Norman architecture]] in English" - that's perhaps a slight overstatement, but I don't think myself that category should be added to the Romanesque Revival tree. Btw, you quote ""Norman style", also known as "Lombard style"" - I've never heard the latter, used of the UK. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 00:42, 13 February 2025 (UTC) |
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Disambiguating Neo-Norman architecture
Neo-Norman architecture can refer to i) revival of 11th- and 12th-century Norman architecture and ii) revival of Architecture of Normandy#Vernacular domestic styles and the Wikipedia and Commons categories are linked by Wikidata and contain a mixture of both. The first seems to be the primary topic. Any ideas on how the categories should be split? Would it make sense to move the neo-medieval architecture to *Category:Romanesque Revival architecture?
- Neo-Norman architecture is a redirect to Norman architecture#Neo-Norman, which says
Neo-Norman architecture is a type of Romanesque Revival architecture based on Norman Romanesque architecture. There is sometimes confusion, especially in North America, between this style and revivalist versions of vernacular or later architecture of Normandy, such as the "Norman farmhouse style" popular for larger houses.
(citation needed) - Category:Neo-Norman architecture says
Neo-Norman architecture, also known as French-Norman architecture, is a late-19th-century/early-20th-century Revival architecture style inspired by vernacular houses in the Normandy region of France. It tends to be more rustic and informal than Châteauesque or Second Empire architecture. It has nothing to do with the version of Romanesque architecture called Norman architecture in English.
(citation needed) - Commons:category:Neo-Norman architecture says
Neo-Norman architecture is a style that emulates works of Norman architecture from the 11th- and 12th-century Romanesque in Britain and Normandy. These works are prominent in many 20th-century buildings and spaces
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TSventon (talk) 22:38, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
I have also found an en Wikipedia article and some information on fr Wikipedia
- Norman Revival architecture says
Norman Revival architecture is an architectural style. In the United Kingdom, "Norman style", also known as "Lombard style" may be essentially a synonym for Romanesque Revival architecture.
(Citation needed)
- It concludes
"Norman" is a term used in conjunction with the style that emerged from the Pacific Northwest Region of the United States Forest Service; this style "had no clearly identifiable architectural prototype, but reflected the influence of the English Cottage and Norman Farmhouse styles."[1]
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- fr:Architecture romane normande#Architecture néo-normande says
Dans la lignée des mouvements historicistes, néo-romans et néo-gothiques, un style architectural s’inspire de l’architecture normande romane du XIe au XIIe siècle, en Normandie et en Angleterre. De nombreux monuments en portent les signes plus ou moins réinterprétés, notamment des églises, mais aussi d'autres types de bâtiments. Manchester en comporte deux exemples avec son ancienne Bourse ainsi qu’une synagogue à Fallowfield.
(Référence nécessaire) (In line with the historicist, neo-Romanesque and neo-Gothic movements, an architectural style is inspired by Norman Romanesque architecture from the 11th to the 12th century, in Normandy and England. Many monuments bear its signs more or less reinterpreted, notably churches, but also other types of buildings. Manchester has two examples with its old Stock Exchange as well as a synagogue in Fallowfield. Via Google translate) - fr:Style néo-normand is a redirect to fr:Architecture néo-traditionnelle# Néo-normand, which says
L'architecture néo-normande est un style de villas créé selon Claude Mignot par Jacques Baumier à Houlgate dans la seconde moitié du XIXe siècle. Forme normande du régionalisme, elle se caractérise par des bâtiments construits à partir d'une structure à pan de bois traditionnelle, mais avec des matériaux modernes.
(Référence nécessaire) (Neo-Norman architecture is a style of villas created according to Claude Mignot by Jacques Baumier in Houlgate in the second half of the 19th century. A Norman form of regionalism, it is characterized by buildings constructed from a traditional half-timbered structure, but with modern materials. Via Google translate)
TSventon (talk) 23:02, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
@Johnbod: I hope you know more about this than I do as you added a mention of "Norman farmhouse style" here. TSventon (talk) 01:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes "revivalist versions of vernacular or later architecture in Normandy, such as the "Norman farmhouse style" popular for larger houses." - one version of your ii) above. Plenty of examples here, few looking anything much like actual farmhouses in actual Normandy. Johnbod (talk) 04:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Johnbod:, can you suggest any ideas on how to disambiguate categories for i) and ii)? TSventon (talk) 23:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- What exactly is the problem? Please state it clearly. We have Category:Neo-Norman architecture in the United States and a Canadian one. I don't know we have any articles on French revivalist efforts. The category note at Category:Neo-Norman architecture says of the style "It has nothing to do with the version of Romanesque architecture called Norman architecture in English" - that's perhaps a slight overstatement, but I don't think myself that category should be added to the Romanesque Revival tree. Btw, you quote ""Norman style", also known as "Lombard style"" - I've never heard the latter, used of the UK. Johnbod (talk) 00:42, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Johnbod:, can you suggest any ideas on how to disambiguate categories for i) and ii)? TSventon (talk) 23:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes "revivalist versions of vernacular or later architecture in Normandy, such as the "Norman farmhouse style" popular for larger houses." - one version of your ii) above. Plenty of examples here, few looking anything much like actual farmhouses in actual Normandy. Johnbod (talk) 04:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)